Great American Outdoor Show With Cole LeTourneau – NH Fish & Game

From the Great American Outdoor Show in Harrisburg, PA, we catch up with New Hampshire Fish & Game CO Cole LeTourneau, at the show promoting careers in wildlife and resource protection, and recruiting for his home agency.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • New Hampshire is hiring!
  • Working on the coast
  • Coastal wardens are deputized for Federal enforcement
  • New Hampshire’s many fishing and hunting options
  • More open access land than many states
  • Contentious trail cameras
  • New regulations for tree stands
  • Many landowners will post permission and guidelines on their property
  • An unforgettable poaching case
  • “I killed seven deer.”
  • A dumped deer leg… with a registration seal
  • Persistence paid off
  • Cole’s background
  • No one’s path to becoming a game warden is the same
  • “If this is your dream, you can get here.”

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

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121 CJ Box – “Three-Inch Teeth”

Fans of Joe Pickett rejoiced at the news that the 24th offering in the bestselling series would be available in early 2024. Now on the eve of the book’s release, celebrated author CJ Box returns to Warden’s Watch to discuss “Three-Inch Teeth”, a pulse-pounding tale that sees Joe join Wyoming Game & Fish’s Predator Attack Team on the hunt for a rampaging killer grizzly – but in true Box style, the bear may not be the biggest threat in the high country.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Inspiration for the latest book
  • Unprovoked bear attacks seem to be on the rise
  • A tragic ambush that killed an experienced guide
  • Same bear attacked the investigators’ helicopter
  • Investigators could not determine any reason for the animal’s aggression
  • Public safety vs. wildlife conservation
  • Wyoming Game & Fish’s Predator Attack Team
  • Bear attacks can happen quickly
  • Book raises thought-provoking ethical questions
  • A landmark corner crossing case in Wyoming
  • The mythology of bears
  •  An update on the Joe Pickett television series
  • Incorporating technical accuracy into the story
  • “Three-Inch Teeth” will be available in hardcopy and digital formats
  • Preorder and find book tour dates at cjbox.net

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

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120 Marshall Nych – International Game Warden Magazine

Since its inception in 1984, International Game Warden Magazine has become known as the industry standard trade publication for wildlife professionals worldwide. Published in association with the North American Wildlife Enforcement Officers Association (NAWEOA), each quarterly issue is jam packed with features ranging from emerging technologies and detailed case investigations to book reviews and recipes. In this episode, editor Marshall Nych highlights some of the first-rate content you’ll receive when you subscribe.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Submitted first story to the magazine in 2010
  • Joined IGW staff in 2015, became editor in 2021
  • Full-time teacher, part-time Deputy Game Warden (Ret.)
  • Game wardens have the best stories, they just need to be told
  • Each issue has a theme
  • Regular features include:
    • Front Lines
    • Behind the Badge
    • Timber-Tech
    • Technology Toolbox
    • Voices From Abroad
    • Marshall Law
    • International Digest
    • book reviews, agency profiles, wild game recipes, and more!
  • Available in both hard copy and digital subscriptions
  • Anyone can subscribe on the IGWM website

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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119 Martin Thabault – Environment & Climate Change Canada

The Department of Environment and Climate Change Canada (ECCC) is the Canadian equivalent to both the US Fish & Wildlife Service and the Environmental Protection Agency, and like the US agencies, ECCC is responsible for the protection and conservation of both the environment and wildlife for future generations. As a Law Enforcement Specialist and Operations Manager for ECCC, Martin Thabault’s responsibilities can extend from the Artic, Pacific, and Atlantic Oceans to the longest undefended border in the world.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • What is the Wildlife Enforcement branch of Environment & Climate Change Canada?
  • Martin’s background and path to Ottawa
  • ECCC Wildlife Enforcement branch currently has nearly 100 officers
  • Main mandate is illegal wildlife trade and protection of migratory birds
  • ECCC also acts as a safety net for the protection of endangered species
  • Officers in remote areas can deal with both environmental and wildlife enforcement
  • Where’s Nunavut?
  • A duck baiting case in Quebec
  • Business was charged multiple times
  • Illegal logging and the import business
  • Identifying and sampling European eels; “a bit of a grey and slimy area.”
  • The value of sharing knowledge and experience
  • Working in coordination with US officers is beneficial to both agencies
  • Adapting to new and emerging technologies can be challenging

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

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118 Roy Brown – US Fish & Wildlife Service Special Agent (Ret.)

Roy Brown was a Federal Conservation Law Enforcement officer for over 30 years, most of which he spent as a Special Agent Criminal Investigator with postings in Montana, Tennessee, Alabama, Utah and finally Wyoming. Working with a variety of state, local, and federal agencies to fight wildlife crime, he has been a certified firearms instructor and armorer, criminal investigator, and taught crime scene investigation techniques both at home and in Southern Africa.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Launched career on a Montana wildlife refuge
  • Preserving the white bison
  • “Cowboy stuff” and a shrewd horse
  • Waterfowl enforcement in Tennessee
  • The dirty dozen
  • Not all marijuana growers are clever…
  • Sticks should never slither
  • 5000 applications for ten positions
  • Rooting out illegal snake dealers in Southern Utah
  • A dream job in Wyoming
  • Reintroducing the gray wolf to Yellowstone created conflict with ranchers
  • Mysterious wildlife deaths: things are often not what they seem
  • Some uncomfortably close grizzly encounters
  • Grizzlies hear well, but their eyesight is not great
  • Non-residents must have a guide to hunt in Wyoming
  • Teaching crime scene investigation in Africa
  • Some experiences stay with you

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

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117 Let’s Go For a Ride – with Bill Livezey

For twenty years, Bill Livezey led a double life rubbing shoulders with some of Maine’s worst wildlife offenders; the kinds of people who not only live by the poacher’s mantra “if it’s brown, it’s down,” but many who were dangerously unstable felons, alcoholics, and drug abusers – his success at putting bad guys out of business stemming largely from his early years as one of them. Since retiring in 2020 as the Maine Warden Service’s longest-tenured covert operative, he has co-written Let’s Go For a Ride, a captivating chronicle of both a life undercover, and a life transformed.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • “Let’s go for a ride” – the universal bad guy code
  • Desire for wealth sent his father down a dark road
  • From successful businessman to meth dealer
  • Hired a hit man to kill his own brother
  • Ultimately died in a confrontation with police
  • Young Bill loved sports and the outdoors, but was using drugs regularly by 15
  • Spiraling out of control: “I was broken.”
  • Positive influences and an invitation from a teammate changed everything
  • Unity college and riding with the game warden
  • An extra-long warden service polygraph
  • Applying as many times as it takes
  • The young game warden who knew all the tricks
  • Experience as a juvenile lent itself to undercover work
  • Befriending, then arresting poachers was a psychological struggle
  • “Pull over! I’m an undercover game warden!”
  • Relationships have to feel real; some were easy, some not so much
  • Undercover work was difficult to step away from
  • Some cases were especially taxing
  • The fear of being discovered
  • The book brings the reader into each case

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

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116 Deadly Harvest – With Kevin Behr

In Appalachian Ohio and beyond, ginseng hunting is a centuries-old tradition. Prized for its medicinal value and prestige, American ginseng was one of America’s first exports to the Far East. Today, highly regulated but harvested to near extinction, its value has only increased, setting the stage for a black market that often results in arrests, prison time, and tragedy.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Kevin’s ongoing recovery and recent activities
  • Investigation began in Ohio in 2012, when a family reported an overdue hiker
  • Bobby Joe Grubbs had been dropped off for a walk, but did not return
  • Grubbs was known to police
  • Sherrif’s office pinged cell phone
  • Phone was located on 87-year-old Joseph Kutter’s property
  • Property owner gave police permission to search, but nothing was found
  • Cell phone had dialed 911 but disconnected
  • Kutter’s property featured a meticulously tended ginseng patch
  • A second search was launched using cadaver dogs
  • Dogs alerted on a loader bucket
  • Kutter immediately confessed to shooting Grubbs
  • Claimed Grubbs was stealing ginseng
  • A confrontation ensued and Kutter fired his weapon
  • Kutter then moved the body twice in the following days
  • Autopsy revealed ginseng in Grubbs’ pockets – and a business card
  • Grubbs had called family to report finding “the mother lode” of ginseng
  • Kutter pled guilty to voluntary manslaughter
  • Case highlights the mindsets of both ginseng growers and poachers
  • Easy money from ginseng often funds drug habits
  • Ginseng hunting (and poaching) can be a way of life passed down through generations
  • Black market is unnervingly similar to the drug trade

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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115 North American Game Warden Museum with Tom Caifa and Sheila Paquette

The North American Game Warden Museum could not be in a more perfect spot. Nestled amid the pristine forest, prairie, and floral gardens of the US/Canada International Peace Garden, it is the only space in the world dedicated to educating the public, celebrating natural resource protection, and honoring the fallen heroes who lost their lives in the line of duty. In this episode, we speak with board members Tom Caifa and Sheila Paquette about this incredible one-of-a-kind facility.  

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • The term “game warden”
  • NAWEOA rebranding to International Game Warden Association
  • NAGW Museum was first conceived in the 80s
  • US states and Canadian provinces contributed
  • Museum was completed in 2005
  • The International Peace Garden
  • Passports are required
  • Past board members laid the foundations
  • Fundraising is key to the museum’s continued success
  • The NAWEOA 5K Torch Run
  • Torch Run began in 2000
  • The Run/Walk today is a family event
  • NAWEOA now has over 9000 members
  • Moose permit and other raffles
  • Annual golf tournament in Manitoba
  • Museum highlights
  • Cabins are available to rent year-round
  • RV parking and camping
  • Museum is open May – September
  • Donate to the NAGW Museum

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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114  Operation “Root of All Evil” with Kirk Kiefer – Ohio

Kirk Kiefer has been a wildlife investigator with the Ohio Department of Natural Resources for the past 15 years. In this episode, he walks us through Operation “Root of All Evil,” a lengthy and complex investigation into the illegal ginseng trade that spanned multiple states, included unmarked vehicles, extended surveillance, buys and sales by undercover officers, and even a fake business.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Wild ginseng root is highly valued for its perceived medicinal properties
  • Grows very slowly, taking up to five years to reach maturity
  • One pound can be worth up to $1000
  • Seeds take over a year to germinate
  • Information campaign helped educate stakeholders on the damage caused by poaching
  • Many poachers are involved in other illegal activities
  • Legal ginseng plants must have three leaf sets, or ‘prongs’
  • Case also had multiple prongs
  • Prong 1: Undercover officers sold ginseng to licensed dealers
  • Compared the amount sold to the amount reported
  • Officers then sold ginseng outside the buying season to confirm illegal intent
  • Prong 2: Coordinated with US Fish & Wildlife Service to create a fake business
  • Business would receive inquiries from those looking to buy and sell illegal product
  • Prong 3: Obtain offenders’ assistance in exchange for a reduced penalty
  • Task force worked in multiple states
  • One offender had been featured on a popular reality show
  • The television show actually helped educate the public about ginseng poaching
  • Many countries overseas have decimated indigenous flora and fauna, creating a black market
  • 110 defendants received multiple charges
  • Nearly six years of jail time served, $77,000 in fines
  • Kirk’s background; jack of all trades
  • Trapping academy
  • State officers were made aware of the ginseng operation
  • “Giving a little bit, we received a lot.”
  • Not all states have Wildlife Investigators
  • State of Ohio has done some major operations
  • Ginseng awareness for stakeholders training began in 2015
  • Operation takedown day finally arrived in 2022

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

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113 Ian Obenshain & Brad Bailey – Big Boy: The Stolen Hunt

In the summer of 2009, Ian Obenshain and Brad Bailey began observing a colossal white-tailed buck feeding in an Ohio field. The friends had permission to hunt the area and immediately started documenting the huge animal’s growth, with the ultimate goal of Brad filming Ian harvesting ‘Big Boy’ during the fall archery season. Anticipation, however, soon turned to disappointment when the trophy buck suddenly disappeared – and then the story turned even stranger.

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  • Origin of the name ‘Big Boy’
  • Ian first spotted the buck in a soybean field near a highway
  • “Have you shown this to anybody?”
  • Big Boy was a world class buck
  • The pursuit and subsequent events brought the two friends closer
  • Brad had guiding experience
  • Placing trail cameras and trying to predict the animal’s behavior
  • Many days were spent planning and scouting
  • The pair planned to film the hunt
  • Big Boy disappeared, but the hunters hoped to see him again
  • “I think it’s in the booth behind you.”
  • A plaque claimed the buck was a Kentucky state record
  • There was no doubt the buck had been poached
  • Hundreds of photos and videos provided evidence of the buck’s origins
  • The loss was a tough pill to swallow
  • Hunting a trophy animal is a huge commitment
  • It was gratifying to see how seriously law enforcement approached the case

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