107 Randy Nelson – British Columbia

Randy Nelson is a retired 35-year veteran of Canada’s Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO), where he became the most decorated fisheries officer in the history of British Columbia. Two years after leaving his post as director of the DFO’s Conservation and Protection Branch in BC, he was ready to write about his extraordinary and sometimes life-threatening experiences, resulting in Poachers, Polluters and Politics: A Fishery Officer’s Career. Now he joins us to discuss his second release, The Wildest Hunt – a collection of tales ranging from horrifying to hilarious from hundreds of wildlife officers across North America.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Writing the book was like doing several investigations
  • Growing up in Saskatchewan
  • Started running to help train
  • Foot chases became common – poachers run!
  • Book features at least one story from every state, province and territory
  • Spoke to hundreds of officers to learn as much detail as possible
  • Oklahoma: Busted on Bumble
  • Alberta: When your hunting dog is a little too good
  • First book was more biographical
  • The Wildest Hunt was written to shine a light on domestic poaching and encourage involvement
  • People often think of poaching in terms of large African animals
  • “If you see something, say something”
  • What is cactus poaching?
  • 75x more police officers than game wardens in North America
  • Ethical hunters are the best conservationists
  • A poacher is not a hunter
  • Poachers are often involved in other crimes
  • Operation Thunderstorm
  • Game wardens have a far higher chance of dying on the job than other law enforcement
  • Biologists, game wardens, and management need to work together
  • The economic impact and long-term effects of poaching
  • A portion of the profits from The Wildest Hunt will be donated to the Game Warden Museum
  • First book was never intended to be published
  • Every officer has stories
  • A picnic gone wrong…
  • Always ready to address stakeholder groups: contact Randy
  • One voice can make a difference

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Producer: Jay Ammann

Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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106 For the Fallen: WCO David Grove – Pennsylvania

Pennsylvania Wildlife Conservation Officer David Grove was known for his infectious smile, his deep faith, and his professionalism and commitment to the people and wildlife of his home state. On a quiet Veterans Day evening in 2010, Officer Grove was arresting a poacher when the suspect – a convicted felon – pulled a gun from his waistband and began firing. Despite having been shot, Officer Grove continued to return fire until he was fatally struck. He was 31 years old. Retired PGC Deputy Executive Director Thomas Grohol shares his memories of the incident, the aftermath, and the continuing legacy of an exemplary officer.

“It is not how these officers died that made them heroes; it is how they lived.” ~ National Law Enforcement Memorial, Washington, DC

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105 David Brady – Florida Fish and Wildlife

While patrolling the Florida Panhandle in August 2015, Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (FWC) Officer David Brady suddenly found himself in the fight of his life; what had seemed a routine stop quickly became an open-water gun battle. Shot twice, weighed down by equipment and treading water with a deflated life jacket, he continued to return fire until the would-be murderer – himself shot – finally sped away. Officer Brady joined us at NAWEOA to share his riveting story of survival, resolve, and preparedness.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • 17-year FWC veteran; Dive Team, Special Operations Group
  • Nothing is ever routine
  • Every encounter is different
  • Call was originally a disturbance complaint
  • Two ‘kids’ on a sailboat
  • Officer noticed alcohol and expired registration
  • Shooter went into the cabin to retrieve paperwork
  • Emerged from the cabin with a gun
  • Leapt off the boat as gunshots rang out
  • First shot passed through Brady’s shoulder – and life jacket
  • “He was hunting me.”
  • Returned fire from behind the patrol boat’s engines
  • Shooter jumped onto patrol boat, still shooting
  • Swimming, shooting, and reloading in full gear
  • Shooter then tried repeatedly to run over Brady
  • Brady continued firing, hitting shooter in the hand
  • Left for dead
  • A nearby Coast Guard vessel approaches
  • “I’ve been shot, and they stole my boat.”
  • The importance of dispatchers
  • Shooter and partner were arrested less than two hours later
  • News spread quickly on social media
  • Reunited with family at the hospital
  • Kevlar vest and training made the difference
  • Train to win
  • Kevlar vests are now mandatory to wear
  • “I’m still here.”
  • It only takes one time

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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104 Chris Johnson – Alaska – Part II

Picking up from our last episode, Wayne continues his conversation with Alaska Wildlife Trooper Chris Johnson. Come along as Chris shares more stories from his years patrolling the vast and sometimes unforgiving Kenai Peninsula as a US Fish and Wildlife officer, and looks forward to many more years of service to the people and wildlife of America’s true “Last Frontier.”

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Chasing illegal baiters
  • Truck through the ice!
  • Recovering vehicles from water
  • A lifetime of physical fitness
  • Teaching HIIT classes as co-owner of Tides Yoga Studio
  • Small injuries can cause big problems
  • Exceed expectations when training
  • Consistency is paramount
  • An uneasy encounter in a remote village
  • The balance between enforcing wildlife laws and respecting indigenous lifestyles
  • Treaties have since changed subsistence living rules
  • A significant bear snaring case
  • Evidence showed it had been going on for years
  • Multiple scenes were discovered
  • Poachers were taking only the gall bladders
  • The illegal gall bladder trade
  • Alaska State Troopers are currently recruiting
  • Survivor Island
  • Your most important survival tool is your brain

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Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

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103 Chris Johnson – Alaska

When US Fish and Wildlife Captain Chris Johnson reached the mandatory retirement age, he wasn’t quite ready to hang up his hat, so he did what most never would; after 33 years of federal service, he went right back to the Academy and became an Alaska State Wildlife Trooper! Join us as Chris shares stories of the outdoors from “Alaska’s Playground” – the rugged and stunningly beautiful Kenai Peninsula.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Mandatory retirement from Federal law enforcement service
  • Torn between becoming a professional football player or game warden
  • Began career with the National Park Service and local PD in Minnesota
  • Joined USFWS in 1989
  • First full-time Federal wildlife law enforcement officer in the Alaska refuge system
  • Part-time positions now being phased out
  • Arriving at the 2-million acre Kenai National Wildlife Refuge
  • “The playground of Alaska.”
  • A one-day orientation
  • The first of many bear mauling cases
  • Charged by three juvenile brown bears in a row
  • A sow had been shot
  • Cubs became dangerously habituated to humans
  • The best bear defense
  • Bear incidents increased through the years
  • Black and brown bears tend not to mingle
  • Joined first USFWS Honor Guard team
  • Only federal member of state Serious Incident Response Team (SIRT)
  • Back to the Academy!
  • Previous experience was a huge advantage
  • Hoping to rejoin SIRT
  • The moose that shot back
  • Teasers for a follow-up: a truck through the ice and a ‘warm’ welcome to the Kenai

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102 David Holt – Tennessee Wildlife Resources Agency

With almost 27 million acres across the state, the officers of Tennessee’s Wildlife Resources Agency have a lot of ground to cover. Any given day could include fish and wildlife law enforcement, safety checks, search and rescue on land or water, conducting outreach programs, and more. Join us as we sit down at NAWEOA with Boating Enforcement Officer David Holt, who’s been patrolling the waterways of eastern Tennessee since 2017, and has some stories to tell!

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Live from NAWEOA
  • Delayed honeymoon for hunting season
  • A mysterious message from the water company
  • Unplanned home renovations
  • The path to becoming a game warden
  • The rookie
  • A wild stolen yacht chase
  • The thief tried to create swells to sink the patrol boat
  • Apprehended when the yacht ran aground
  • Chase was filmed by a drone pilot
  • Patrol boat looked like a dot next to the giant yacht
  • “Designated Skipper”

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

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101 Audrey Hunter – Arkansas Game & Fish

Audrey Hunter grew up in a home where hunting is a family affair. Through her father, grandfather, and uncles, she and her and four brothers were taught to respect the resources, the impact of conservation, and the importance of sharing the outdoors. This led to a natural career with the Arkansas Game & Fish Commission, where after only five short years she’s proven herself an outstanding officer – and now she has the hardware to back it up! Join us as Wayne sits down with the first female to win the National Wild Turkey Federation’s Officer of the Year award, AGFC Wildlife Officer 1st Class Audrey Hunter!

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Winning NWTF Officer of the Year at the national conference – surprise!
  • Drove home with trophy in the front seat
  • Focused on illegal bait sites
  • A memorable baiting case; educating the next generation
  • Violator had multiple bait sites
  • Hunting and wildlife is a family tradition
  • Experience has taught patience
  • Tough cases can be the most rewarding
  • The pros and cons of patrolling in your hometown
  • Getting involved in the local chapter of NWTF
  • What’s a Jakes Day?
  • The diversity of Arkansas wildlife
  • Surprising a field full of baiters

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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100B Celebrating 100 Episodes!

In this special bonus episode, our hosts and producer get together with fan favorites Kris MacCabe of Maine, Benny Richards of Texas, and New Hampshire’s own Col. Kevin Jordan. Join us for a fun and wide-ranging chat looking back on 100 episodes, and looking forward to 100 more!

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100 CJ Box – Joe Pickett Series

CJ Box is the New York Times bestselling author of over thirty novels, including the enormously popular Joe Pickett series, now a small-screen sensation streaming on Paramount Plus. An avid outdoorsman, the Wyoming native’s hit novels capture the vast, unspoiled beauty of the American West, the conflict between new and old ideas, and feature authentically believable (and sometimes heinous) characters, lightning-quick plots, and truly gruesome crimes. We are thrilled to welcome CJ to the show for a chat about the inspiration for Joe Pickett’s character, two successful TV shows, and much more!

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • 100th episode introduction – thank you!
  • Game wardens are all collectively Joe Pickett
  • Making Joe as authentic as possible
  • The inspiration for the first Pickett novel – the Endangered Species Act
  • Never intended to be a series
  • Wanted to introduce the element of family
  • Game wardens can be called on for any number of situations
  • Local wardens are integral to a rural community
  • Joe Pickett show runners are fans of the book series
  • Second season incorporates parts of three books
  • Wasn’t the first offer for a Pickett-inspired television series
  • A peek at Season Two
  • The show was an immediate success on Paramount Plus
  • Filming in Alberta, Canada
  • Capturing the family dynamic has helped broaden the audience
  • Making sure Joe wasn’t perfect; “he screws up.”
  • Joe’s character has grown and changed, but he still can’t shoot
  • Finding experts on every topic to seek different points of view
  • Joe arrests the governor – based on a true story!
  • Tackling socially relevant and contemporary issues
  • Consulting with game wardens to ensure accuracy

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

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99 Susan Swem – Missouri K9 Unit

After more than 30 years on the job, Corporal Susan Swem was contemplating retirement from the Missouri Department of Conservation – and then came the chance to join the state’s newly formed Canine Protection Unit. Since then, she and K9 Astro have assisted on multiple investigations, done significant public outreach, and saved countless staff-hours tracking, recovering evidence, and protecting the wildlife of Southwest Missouri.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Joined the newly formed Canine Protection Unit two years ago
  • Missouri program is adding four more handlers
  • K9 program has been beneficial in multiple ways
  • Job changes with the seasons
  • Changing areas or specialties can create a completely new challenge
  • Considered retirement before joining the K9 unit
  • Being a K9 handler requires constant training
  • Pros and cons of being a female Conservation Agent
  • More women are becoming game wardens
  • Crappie fishing techniques
  • What is a paddlefish?
  • Eggs are similar to caviar
  • An illegal egg sales case
  • Training involves a lot of running!
  • Tracking with a K9 saves considerable time
  • Different breeds have different advantages
  • Technology is making fishing and hunting easier. Is it sustainable?
  • Missouri geography and weather
  • The job is like chocolate cake; a K9 is the frosting

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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