061 Chris Conroy, Scotland

Chris Conroy is the director of the Ness District Salmon Fishery Board and a water bailiff. He graduated from Liverpool John Moores University with a degree in Applied Biology, and has over 25 years of experience working as an aquatic resource manager. Through his duties, he has developed an in-depth knowledge of freshwater, marine and estuarine resource management and the associated stresses, utilisation, and conservation demand. In this episode, we dive in to the lore around Loch Ness, the differences in enforcement, the specs of being a water bailiff, and more

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  • Cover the Loch Ness waters in Scotland
  • Loch means lake
  • Fishery bailiff = fishery enforcement officer
  • Sightings of the Loch Ness monster
  • 20 miles wide, 700 feet deep 
  • Don’t work for the government; statutory powers
  • Lots of fisheries 
  • Differences in laws
  • Don’t carry firearms; gear differences
  • Good cases
  • Thermal imaging 
  • Enforcement and management
  • Topography
  • Fish counts
  • Intervention of impacts 
  • Issues with stocking fish
  • Collecting evidence
  • 162 offenses last year
  • Pulley system case
  • American vs Scottish bailiffs

060 For the Fallen – Justin Hurst, Texas EOW: March 17, 2007

Justin Hurst was a game warden who worked for the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. A graduate of Texas A&M, he had a passion for the outdoors and worked to protect it. Even before he was a warden, he worked as a waterfowl guide and educated people on hunting. After 5 years of service as a warden, he was involved in an incident where a man was suspected of hunting illegally. While backing up another game warden on a pursuit, the suspect’s vehicle was spiked. As he got out, the suspect fired at the approaching wardens and deputies. Hurst was struck multiple times while returning fire, and was med-flighted to a nearby hospital. A day later, on his 34th birthday, Justin succumbed to his injuries. Justin is an example of an exemplary game warden with a strong work ethic and a desire to educate his community. 

His sacrifice will not be forgotten. 

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  • Chaplin Scott Mcintosh leads in prayer
  • Start of Justin’s love of wildlife
  • Dad, we need to help these hawks 
  • Love of duck and geese
  • Read the bands on geese
  • Went to Texas A&M, never went to a football game
  • Applied for the academy 
  • First of his class
  • Back home with people he knew
  • Make personal contacts with farmers and ranchers
  • A knocking at the door, a flashlight
  • Justin did not survive
  • His eyes were used as an organ donation
  • 25 game wardens at the house to support us
  • Kept the media away
  • 10 units involved in the incident
  • Dashcam video recorded
  • The pursuit 
  • Gets cornered at the cemetery and starts firing
  • Hits Justin; med-flighted to the hospital
  • I asked God “why did you take my son?”
  • Effects of a LEO death on the family
  • Weeks after, wardens were around 24/7
  • 500 law enforcement at Justin’s funeral
  • Cremated and released into the bay
  • Ashes put in Justin’s projects 
  • Offered life without parole; refused
  • Jury convicted him guilty of 1st degree murder with execution
  • All appeals denied
  • We pick the day he’s executed
  • A long process; very educational 
  • Only could bring a driver’s license the penitentiary 
  • He never said anything
  • Motorcycle groups revved engines during final statement
  • Parent groups for parents who lost LEO sons and daughters
  • Support of organizations
  • I want to make sure our wardens are supported
  • Justin wanted to educate and teach

059 For The Fallen – Arnold Magoon

Arnold Magoon was a game warden with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department for 18 years. He worked his way up from a field warden to a supervisor, and was known to be fair but firm in how he enforced laws. As a warden, Arnold was well liked within the community he patrolled and was a role model for those around him. In 1978, a call about a late night shot came in while he was at home. He responded, and a suspected deer poacher assaulted him with his own flashlight, bludgeoning him to death. Arnold is the only warden that has died in the line of duty with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department. 

His sacrifice will not be forgotten. 

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  • For the fallen/police week
  • Wayne’s formal Colonel as a guest
  • Dangers of being a law enforcement officer
  • Roll of honor – 51 names
  • Won’t give this up until I die
  • Most challenging group I work with
  • It has to be done right
  • It was a normal day and he never came back
  • Take the time to tell people what they mean to you
  • Moment of silence
  • Poem
  • Jeff Whipple 
  • Arnold Magoon is the only warden who has died in Vermont
  • Moving on from tragedy and remember
  • Warden to supervisor 
  • Ready to fry by the fourth of July
  • Heard a gunshot and went out
  • Goes to confront the poachers
  • Put an identification on the vehicle
  • Throwing out evidence 
  • Approaching the vehicle: 2 men and 1 women
  • Son’s friend and knows him personally
  • Disappointment and frustration
  • Lunged for the flashlight
  • Left to die
  • Not uncommon to not wear a gun belt
  • Could happen to anyone
  • Monument created

058 The Case of Kate Matrosova Part V – The Conclusion

Kate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. She came to America on a student visa and successfully graduated with a masters degree in Financial Engineering. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. The weather conditions reached -85F and 141 MPH winds. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later. 

Ty Gagne is the CEO of Primex, a public entity risk pool based in New Hampshire, and is also a certified wilderness first responder. He wrote the book Where You’ll Find Me about Kate’s experiences and those who were a part of her recovery. In this podcast, he interviewed Wayne and asked him about his experiences as a supervisor over the search and rescue mission for Kate.

Brett Fitzgerald is a member of the search and rescue team that located and recovered Kate Matrosova. He is an experienced climber and outdoorsman who takes clients up the White Mountains. 

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Ty Gagne’s new book
  • High quality volunteers in NH
  • Embrace being a hero
  • Continuation of Wayne’s interview
  • Hasty team was important; other teams covered beacons
  • Covered lots of ground
  • Brett Fitzgerald interview
  • Out skiing during the day before the rescue
  • Telling clients “there is a 0% chance of reaching the summit today”
  • Had the kits ready to go
  • We weren’t sure if we could find her; she could be anywhere
  • Wind picked us off the ground
  • Kate was frozen solid
  • Can’t think of her as a human; need to get the load down
  • Felt like you were drowning 
  • Continuation of Wayne’s interview
  • Hard to communicate above treeline
  • Work to do after recovery
  • Inform next of kin
  • Accomplishments of Kate: calls from reporters from New York
  • Many rescues can be prevented
  • Preparation: more research, investigation, and paying attention to the weather
  • There’s a reason trees don’t grow up there
  • I got it in my calendar, I’m going to hike
  • Flexibility and knowledge is key
  • The finding of Kate’s mountaineering axe
  • Dedication to all search and rescue volunteers

057 The Case of Kate Matrosova Part IV Featuring Guest Interviewer Ty Gagne

Kate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. She came to America on a student visa and successfully graduated with a masters degree in Financial Engineering. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light hear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. The weather conditions reached -85F and 141 MPH winds. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later.

Ty Gagne is the CEO of Primex, a public entity risk pool based in New Hampshire, and is also a certified wilderness first responder. He wrote the book Where You’ll Find Me about Kate’s experiences and those who were a part of her recovery. In this podcast, he interviewed Wayne and asked him about his experiences as a supervisor over the search and rescue mission for Kate.

Lieutenant Mark Ober is the Lieutenant for District 1 with the New Hampshire Fish and Game. He frequently responds to hikers in distress and develops search and rescue missions to find them. He is also a member of the New Hampshire Fish and Game Dive Team. In this episode, he discusses the mission to find Kate, the difficulties surrounding it, and his role as a supervisor.

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  • Guest interviewer: Ty Gagne
  • The best learning is from the ground up
  • The game warden is in charge of the search and rescue
  • Pass on shortcuts
  • Own up to your decisions
  • Wind is a huge factor
  • Dragging my feet based on my instincts
  • Don’t call me at night – I don’t sleep
  • Continuation of interview with Mark Ober
  • Constantly on the phone
  • Ordered a command post
  • 5am to 8am is peak prepare time
  • Many acronyms in search and rescues
  • Would have never reached Kate safely
  • Intent is key
  • Everything was in her pack, not blown away
  • Sunny day, whiteout on the mountain peaks
  • There’s more people like Kate
  • I made mistakes that other people made
  • Continuation of Wayne’s interview
  • No intention of going home
  • Command posts were rocking from the wind
  • Great relationships with local departments
  • It’s easy to look at a map and make assignments
  • Even highly skilled people can get in trouble

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day

056 The Case of Kate Matrosova Part III Featuring Mark Ober, Bob Mancini, and Matt Holmes

At 32 years old, Kate Matrosova hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later. 

Lieutenant Mark Ober is the Lieutenant for District 1 with the New Hampshire Fish and Game. He frequently responds to hikers in distress and develops search and rescue missions to find them. He is also a member of the New Hampshire Fish and Game Dive Team. In this episode, he discusses the mission to find Kate, the difficulties surrounding it, and his role as a supervisor.

Bob Mancini is an award-winning Conservation Officer in New Hampshire. He has been a member of the advanced search & rescue team, dive team, honor guard team and K-9 team. He was also a regular on Northwoods Law. He speaks of his role in the rescue for Kate.

Matt Holmes is a New Hampshire Fish and Game Conservation Officer. He was also a regular on Northwoods Law, and is part of rescue operations. In this episode, he discusses the attempted resume of Kate Matrosova with the rest of the rescue team.

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  • The return of John Nores
  • Q and A on April 26th via Patreon!
  • Start of Lt. Mark Ober interview
  • Matt and Bob: goal to get to coordinates
  • Half mile off trail to get to coordinates, meet with MRS team
  • Too cold to function 
  • Matt and Bob stay for backup, MRS team moves in 
  • When she wasn’t found at coordinates, everyone moves back down
  • Start of Bob Mancini interview
  • Decided to patrol on snowmobile 
  • Raced back to get essential gear
  • Disbelief of how someone could be out
  • My “Oh Shit!” bag
  • Forgot to change my socks
  • We were prepared to do what was required
  • Utilized snowmobiles and then hiked
  • Fight the inner demons to try and save a life
  • Propane in stove froze 
  • Hot water would have been like hitting the lottery
  • Should have slowed down and been a better teammate
  • Matt’s headlamp
  • Wayne’s rule: don’t call me the night before
  • Stay on scene on the trail, MRS goes to beacon
  • Loud and steady wind
  • Even if we knew where she was, it might have been a critical incident
  • Kate was an accomplished hiker
  • Gear has became better
  • Start of Matt Holmes interview
  • Predicted to be bad weather for a while
  • On snowmobile patrolling all day
  • Coldest and most dangerous rescue
  • Eyes are on the mountains 
  • Wind blowing over the summits
  • Glad to be in my cruiser 
  • At first I was angry: salt in an open wound
  • Carrying gear for overnight stays
  • Sun goes down, temperature goes down
  • Glen’s issues: it wasn’t his night 
  • Matt was the leader of the operation
  • We had to function as a team to do things we usually did alone
  • One team to bushwack to point, another on the trail
  • Barely got stoves lit, water couldn’t boil
  • All layers were on
  • If something went wrong, will have to build a shelter
  • Nobody wanted to stop
  • MRS team stayed, the rest moved out
  • I feel good about what we did
  • Plenty of reasons to not send anyone that night
  • Feelings softened toward Kate over time
  • Perfect storm of cold and wind

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day

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055 The Case of Kate Matrosova Part II featuring Lt. Mark Ober and CO Glen Lucas

Kate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. She came to America on a student visa and successfully graduated with a masters degree in Financial Engineering. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. The weather conditions reached -85F and 141 MPH winds. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later. 

Lieutenant Mark Ober is the Lieutenant for District 1 with the New Hampshire Fish and Game. He frequently responds to hikers in distress and develops search and rescue missions to find them. He is also a member of the New Hampshire Fish and Game Dive Team. In this episode, he discusses the mission to find Kate, the difficulties surrounding it, and his role as a supervisor.

Conservation Officer Glen Lucas of the New Hampshire Fish and Game is part of the snowmobile patrol and is an experienced outdoorsman. He was also a part of multiple storylines with the show Northwoods law. He shares his experiences on the day of Kate’s disappearance, including the struggles of preparing, the decision making of the day, and the lasting impacts it had on his life. 

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  • New addition the podcasting team: Morgan Day
  • Patreon event: live Q and A on April 26th at 8pm EST
  • The importance of speaking about painful memories
  • More of a recovery mission than a rescue
  • Cannot rely on personal locator devices
  • Bad weather day; snowmobile crash earlier
  • We have to at least try
  • Temperature at start of hike: -90 with wind chill
  • Three separate beacons miles apart
  • Glen comes down
  • Ty Gagne helped me answer questions I had myself
  • Everyone was hustling to get there
  • Game Warden wife mode
  • Not a normal rescue mission
  • My mistake: dressing normal
  • Legs start locking up, toes are freezing
  • Glen stays behind, the others continue up
  • Leans up against the tree to wait for other volunteers
  • This is how I find people
  • I felt like I had peg legs; I didn’t want to die here
  • Mother nature beat me that time
  • Game wardens promote drive, we don’t want to show weakness
  • I didn’t read the book, I gave it away
  • I wanted to distance myself from the story, but I read it
  • After the reports done, I’m done
  • The book signing was therapeutic
  • The supervisors decision at the base, the teams on the mountain
  • Kate is the first one I had a connection with

054 The Case of Kate Matrosova featuring Ty Gagne

Kate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. She came to America on a student visa and successfully graduated with a masters degree in Financial Engineering. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. The weather conditions reached -85F and 141 MPH winds. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later.

Ty Gagne is the CEO of Primex, a public entity risk pool based in New Hampshire, and is also a certified wilderness first responder. He wrote the book Where You’ll Find Me about Kate’s experiences and those who were a part of her recovery. In this podcast, he discusses his own personal involvement in the outdoors, his perspective on Kate’s case, and how he wrote the book.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • The book Where You Will Find Me
  • Ty and Wayne’s experience with hiking
  • The easy mistakes of hiking
  • The beginning of Kate’s story
  • The White Mountains
  • Challenges of winter hiking
  • The conditions of Kate’s hike
  • Her plan and the issues around it
  • Kate’s drive to succeed
  • The group that got her out
  • The issue with personal location devices
  • Ty’s interviews with on-scene wardens
  • The drive of law enforcement and how to keep them safe
  • Mental health of volunteers and law enforcement
  • The changes at altitude
  • Retracing Kate’s story for a book
  • The good out of a tragedy

053 Carlos Gomez – Oklahoma Department of Wildlife – Part II

Carlos Gomez, a retired Game Warden for the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife, sits down with Wayne in the continuation of his interview. Though now retired after a 41 year career, Carlos is still an active outdoorsman and a member of the National Wild Turkey Federation. In this episode, they discuss cases Carlos has been involved with and his interactions with other wardens.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • International Game Warden Magazine
  • Operation Cody
  • Interactions and cases with Todd A. Vandivert
  • The money-maker case
  • When to bluff
  • The praying poacher
  • Keeping the racks, donating the meat
  • 16 deer, 3 county warrants
  • Enjoy the cuffs
  • Poacher suicide

Credits
Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores
Producer/Editor: Jay Scott Ammann
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052 Carlos Gomez – Oklahoma Department of Wildlife

Carlos Gomez spent 41 years as a game warden in the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation – 34 years serving Tulsa County and 7 years serving in Oklahoma County. He is the only game warden in Oklahoma’s history to spend his entire career in urban areas. Despite this, his time was filled with hunting and fishing interactions, as well as education of the public. In his retirement, he actively enjoys the outdoors and regularly attends meetings with conservation clubs.

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  • Wayne’s experience with Oklahoma
  • Carlos’s energy
  • Operation Jersey
  • Undercover turtles
  • Wildlife war with China
  • Importance of prosecution
  • Judge shopping
  • Educate and build relationships with violators
  • Game wardens are hunters too
  • Interactions with Tiger King
  • Stolen polar bear
  • Carlos’s deer case
  • Stay tuned for part two!