131 Live from NAWEOA – with Drew Milne (BC), Kris MacCabe (ME) & Chris Gilkey (OH)

This episode finds us live at NAWEOA 2024 in in beautiful Penticton, BC with Maine’s Kris MacCabe, Chris Gilkey from Ohio, and Drew Milne of British Columbia, Canada. The guys sit down for a lively roundtable talk about their respective states and provinces, the beauty surrounding them, and of course, the incredible experience that is NAWEOA.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Grizzlies, rams… and musk ox?
  • A forest fire to the southwest
  • Bears across the continent
  • British Columbia’s strict bear hunting laws
  • Much of BC is public land, filled with wildlife
  • Ohio has far fewer bears
  • Some people love BC bears, others very much do not
  • Connecting and learning at NAWEOA
  • Sharing commonalities and differences
  • NAWEOA 2025: Erie, Pennsylvania
  • The many microclimates of British Columbia
  • “The Napa Valley of Canada.”
  • Canadians really are that friendly
  • Tim Hortons, maple syrup, Cheezies, and poutine
  • “You guys don’t have Smarties?”
  • Chris’ poutine plan: The Gilkey
  • NAWEOA in one word
  • Camaraderie, connection, and family   
  • Snakes!

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

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Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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130 Lukas Madsen – Alberta, Canada

Ahead of NAWEOA 2024 in British Columbia, Canada, Wayne discusses warden life across the border with special guest Sgt. Lukas Madsen, a Fish & Wildlife officer in the neighboring province of Alberta. Sgt. Madsen discusses his path from growing up in the rugged beauty of the Northwest Territories to becoming a game warden, Alberta’s many outdoor opportunities, and shares a few adventures he’s had along the way.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • What Canadian accent?
  • Originally set out to become a biologist
  • Growing up in Yellowknife; one road north, one road south
  • Great Slave Lake is one of the deepest in Canada
  • Outdoor experience creates an advantage
  • Education never stops
  • Had to build experience to be hired full-time
  • Working as a park ranger – aka the Party Police
  • Adventures in bear trapping
  • Sometimes euthanasia is the only option
  • The Western Conservation Law Academy
  • “The best job in the world.”
  • Alberta has an abundance of wildlife
  • A couple of unethical outfitters
  • Wildlife crimes in another country can result in big problems
  • NAWEOA: “We all have the same stories.”
  • Always move forward, always try to do better

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Producer: Jay Ammann

Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

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119 Martin Thabault – Environment & Climate Change Canada

The Department of Environment and Climate Change Canada (ECCC) is the Canadian equivalent to both the US Fish & Wildlife Service and the Environmental Protection Agency, and like the US agencies, ECCC is responsible for the protection and conservation of both the environment and wildlife for future generations. As a Law Enforcement Specialist and Operations Manager for ECCC, Martin Thabault’s responsibilities can extend from the Artic, Pacific, and Atlantic Oceans to the longest undefended border in the world.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • What is the Wildlife Enforcement branch of Environment & Climate Change Canada?
  • Martin’s background and path to Ottawa
  • ECCC Wildlife Enforcement branch currently has nearly 100 officers
  • Main mandate is illegal wildlife trade and protection of migratory birds
  • ECCC also acts as a safety net for the protection of endangered species
  • Officers in remote areas can deal with both environmental and wildlife enforcement
  • Where’s Nunavut?
  • A duck baiting case in Quebec
  • Business was charged multiple times
  • Illegal logging and the import business
  • Identifying and sampling European eels; “a bit of a grey and slimy area.”
  • The value of sharing knowledge and experience
  • Working in coordination with US officers is beneficial to both agencies
  • Adapting to new and emerging technologies can be challenging

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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107 Randy Nelson – British Columbia

Randy Nelson is a retired 35-year veteran of Canada’s Department of Fisheries and Oceans (DFO), where he became the most decorated fisheries officer in the history of British Columbia. Two years after leaving his post as director of the DFO’s Conservation and Protection Branch in BC, he was ready to write about his extraordinary and sometimes life-threatening experiences, resulting in Poachers, Polluters and Politics: A Fishery Officer’s Career. Now he joins us to discuss his second release, The Wildest Hunt – a collection of tales ranging from horrifying to hilarious from hundreds of wildlife officers across North America.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Writing the book was like doing several investigations
  • Growing up in Saskatchewan
  • Started running to help train
  • Foot chases became common – poachers run!
  • Book features at least one story from every state, province and territory
  • Spoke to hundreds of officers to learn as much detail as possible
  • Oklahoma: Busted on Bumble
  • Alberta: When your hunting dog is a little too good
  • First book was more biographical
  • The Wildest Hunt was written to shine a light on domestic poaching and encourage involvement
  • People often think of poaching in terms of large African animals
  • “If you see something, say something”
  • What is cactus poaching?
  • 75x more police officers than game wardens in North America
  • Ethical hunters are the best conservationists
  • A poacher is not a hunter
  • Poachers are often involved in other crimes
  • Operation Thunderstorm
  • Game wardens have a far higher chance of dying on the job than other law enforcement
  • Biologists, game wardens, and management need to work together
  • The economic impact and long-term effects of poaching
  • A portion of the profits from The Wildest Hunt will be donated to the Game Warden Museum
  • First book was never intended to be published
  • Every officer has stories
  • A picnic gone wrong…
  • Always ready to address stakeholder groups: contact Randy
  • One voice can make a difference

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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