162 Polar Bears & Patrols – With Jack Skillings

From patrolling on sea ice and responding to polar bear calls to managing wildlife in remote communities, Conservation Officer Jack Skillings takes us deep into the Canadian Arctic. Offering a rare glimpse into wildlife enforcement in the far north, Jack shares the rewards and realities of protecting the environment in some of the most isolated places on Earth.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Yukon’s Conservation Officer Services Branch and its role
  • Nunavut: Canada’s newest territory
  • Nunavut’s unique conservation structure
  • “There’s at least one conservation officer in every community.”
  • Patrolling without roads: snowmobiles, ATVs, boats, and planes
  • Polar bear management and why it’s handled by territories, not federal agencies
  • Community policing: “education over enforcement.”
  • Modern polar bear research using DNA instead of tags
  • Differences between Nunavut and Yukon: isolation vs. road access and teamwork
  • “The biggest difference in Yukon? Roads. Having a truck changes everything.”
  • Wildlife species and hunting traditions: caribou, muskox, seals, moose, sheep, and Arctic char
  • A polar bear deterrence gone wrong
  • Life in remote communities
  • “My favorite thing was just getting out on the land – patrolling, hunting, fishing.”

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

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Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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159 Justice for Dave: A Poacher’s Reckoning

In this powerful episode of Warden’s Watch, Pennsylvania Game Wardens Phil Bietsch & TJ Knash share the story of a career-defining poaching case tied to the tragic death of fellow officer David Grove on Veteran’s Day 2010. From building trust to securing confessions, this case is a masterclass in investigative work and emotional resilience. Listen now to hear how justice was served, and a legacy honored.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Phil and TJ were classmates at the Ross Leffler School of Conservation
  • Working as neighboring officers for four years, they’ve developed a strong investigative partnership
  • Emphasis on teamwork, rhythm in interviews, and rapport-building
  • Ryan Laumann is a known habitual game law offender
  • The case ties back to the tragic death of Game Warden Dave Grove in 2010, who was murdered by Chris Johnson during a poaching incident
  • Laumann was a passenger in the vehicle
  • Laumann “just went home.”
  • Johnson is now on death row
  • Equipment and training were improved
  • Laumann received a five-year license revocation
  • A tip from a former violator turned informant via Operation Game Thief
  • “I got away with it once, I can do it again.”
  • TJ took the lead
  • Keeping emotions in check
  • “Take your time.”
  • Officers conducted surveillance near Laumann’s residence
  • Multiple deer carcasses, gut piles, and antlers
  • Officers used rapport and strategic interviewing to gain Laumann’s trust
  • Jeff Baile’s interview and interrogation techniques were critical
  • Allowing the suspect to tell their version of the story
  • Laumann eventually confesses to killing multiple deer
  • From a good case to a great case
  • “Rapport is the foundation of everything.”
  • Laumann was charged with:
    • 3 counts of illegal deer3 tagging violations
    • 3 counts of scattering high-risk parts
    • 1 over-the-bag-limit charge
  • Final penalties: 5-year hunting license revocation and $2,800 in fines

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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The Killing Krew Klan: Consequences

After the chilling revelations of Episode 156’s “Killing Krew Klan,” the question remained: how would the justice system respond? What consequences did these young trophy hunters face, and did the punishment fit the crime? In this episode, Investigator Patrick Kiely returns to walk us through the penalty phase of the case. Join us as we uncover the final chapter in one of Connecticut’s most disturbing wildlife crimes.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Convictions for wildlife crime aren’t always a slam dunk
  • The prosecutor in the case was an outdoorsman
  • Original roadside stop netted only a suspended sentence
  • Paring down up to 30 charges: what will stick?
  • Group pled guilty to jacklighting
  • $500 fines and three years’ probation
  • Banned from hunting for ten years
  • Conspiracy to sell wildlife and a probation violation
  • Getting support from judges and prosecutors
  • “Any time you serve a warrant … you’re opening a Pandora’s Box.”

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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155 Blake Patterson – North American Game Warden Museum

In this episode, we talk with Sgt. Blake Patterson, a Conservation Officer from Swan River, Manitoba, and President of the North American Game Warden Museum. Blake shares insights from his 17 years in the field and discusses the museum’s role in honoring game wardens and conservation officers across North America. Located at the International Peace Garden, the museum highlights the challenges of the profession and commemorates those who have lost their lives in the line of duty.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • The museum is a place every game warden should visit
  • Joined board in 2010
  • It’s elk hunting season in Manitoba!
  • A unique moose lottery fundraiser
  • Manitoba moose population decline
  • “I’ve seen those game warden shows. I know I’m done.”
  • Fun regional expressions
  • The Fallen Officer Memorial Service
  • Many museum exhibits feature seized items
  • Antique snow machines and hand-powered rail cars
  • Always looking for older tools of the trade, uniforms and paraphernalia
  • Potential interactive exhibit featuring fallen officer biographies
  • A night hunting helicopter chase

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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149 Deming Lindsley (Ret.) – New York

In this episode, we delve into the long and distinguished career of Deming Lindsley, a retired Lieutenant from the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation’s Division of Law Enforcement. Known for his expertise in Fish and Wildlife Law, Lindsley served as a primary instructor at both the State College and the Division’s Training Academy for decades. His engaging personality and sense of humor made him popular among both colleagues and students, and he continues to guest lecture today, leaving a lasting impact on countless officers – including our host! 

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Taught Fish & Wildlife Law at state university and Law Enforcement Training Academy.
  • Authored a charging reference guide for judges
  • No bail in New York
  • Patrolling with Dad
  • Growing up the game warden’s kid
  • Assigned first patrol in 1972
  • Promoted to Lieutenant in just four years
  • Teaching at Academy vs. College
  • The unintentional getaway driver
  • A news crew ride-along catches a poacher red-handed
  • “You don’t need a license to jack deer.”
  • Attempted bribe doesn’t go as planned
  • Little green lies
  • Even municipal employees can be tempted
  • “Don’t go down to the cellar.”
  • Keeping up with changing Fish & Wildlife laws
  • People want to talk about animals and laws
  • More lightning strikes than black bear attacks.
  • “I never had to go to work.”
  • Spearheaded one of the first Critical Incident Response teams
  • Sent to NYC on 9/11
  • Awards and plaques of thanks from all over
  • Tried to enforce the spirit of the law, rather than the letter of the law
  • Not all violators are criminals
  • Teaching generations of conservation law officers
  • A namesake K9
  • “Do the job. You’ll never regret it.”

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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147 Josiah Towne – New Hampshire

Fans of the hit Animal Planet show North Woods Law will instantly recognize CO Josiah Towne. In this episode, Josiah takes us behind the scenes into the dynamic world of a New Hampshire conservation officer, from daring mountain rescues to wild chases, along with some truly unforgettable moments. Join us for a look into the world of a real-life wildlife hero!

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • New Hampshire is hiring!
  • Appearing on North Woods Law
  • Every day is different; every season is different
  • Making a dent in the illegal elver trade
  • A riverside arrest gone awry
  • Improving handcuff techniques
  • Patrolling your hometown
  • Recognizing fresh perspectives
  • The Hawk Unit
  • A remarkable rescue operation
  • Any trail with the word ‘slide’ in the name…
  • The arduous rescue “was all worth it.”
  • Many visitors create increased requests for service
  • The local Scoutmaster

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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146 Run for Levi – With Rob McDermott

On Monday, April 21st, New Hampshire CO Rob McDermott will run the Boston Marathon® in honor of his friend and colleague, Levi Frye. Partnering with the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (AFSP), Rob is raising funds to support AFSP’s prevention programs, advocacy, education, and survivor support. Next, we will hear from AFSP spokesman David O’Leary, who shares important information about suicide risk and offers suggestions on how to help a friend or loved one who may be struggling. Finally, Sgt. Matt Holmes reads the beautiful eulogy he wrote to honor Levi at his funeral service.

Support Suicide Prevention With Conservation Officer Rob McDermott

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Turkey hunting and a fiddlehead harvest
  • Joined Fish & Game shortly after Levi
  • Roommates in the game warden house
  • Eric Fluette and the anonymous ring sizing kit
  • Levi was set to receive his second congressional medal
  • Partnering with the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention
  • Fundraising and training for the Boston Marathon®
  • Running with Levi: “we’d get lapped multiple times.”
  • Funds raised will help provide resources to others who have lost a loved one
  • Ways to offer support:
  • Up to 200 first responders die by suicide each year in the US
  • Follow the impulse to reach out
  • It’s okay to use the word ‘suicide.’
  • The most important thing you can do is listen
  • Changing our language: “You don’t ‘commit cancer’ or ‘commit high blood pressure’.”
  • Boston Marathon® and others allow charities to apply for bibs as fundraisers
  • Team AFSP at the marathon
  • 1 in 5 Americans has a connection to a mental health issue
  • Find information and support here: AFSP
  • Sgt. Matt Holmes reads Levi’s eulogy: A man of commitment, and a man in green.

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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145 In Memory of Officer Levi Frye

This episode is dedicated to the life and legacy of New Hampshire Conservation Officer Levi Frye. Today, we honor Levi’s commitment to protecting our natural world through a lighthearted but insightful interview he gave before his passing, where he shares his passion for his work, the outdoors, and his lifelong dedication to physical fitness. As we reflect on his life, we will also hear a heartfelt poem written and read by Lt. Mark Ober at Levi’s funeral service.

If you or someone you know is struggling, please reach out to the 988 Suicide Crisis Hotline.

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142 Wonder Wardens – With Melissa Gauthier & Therese Bogatko

Back in 2018, a small group of female officers from Alberta Fish and Wildlife saw the need to engage with each other more actively and support community causes at the same time. This dedicated team has since participated in charity fundraisers, launched an outdoor education camp for young women, and is now working to establish a scholarship to help even more women join conservation law enforcement. Let’s meet Alberta’s Wonder Wardens!

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • The beginnings of the Wonder Wardens
  • Camaraderie and promoting women in conservation law
  • Polar dipping in uniform for charity
  • Summer camp for future female game wardens
  • Wildlife identification, hunting & fishing checks, drills and a mock investigation
  • The break-in period
  • “We complement each other.”
  • Self-confidence matters
  • People often make assumptions
  • Plans to expand Wonder Wardens
  • Proceeds from merch sales will fund a scholarship
  • “We’re small but we’re mighty.”
  • The importance of agency support
  • NAWEOA offers an opportunity to connect and share
  • Uniforms and equipment are changing
  • Shooting competitions – an all-female team
  • Close encounters during grizzly relocations
  • Hunters are sometimes surprised to encounter a female warden team

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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138 Wardens:Case Files on the Outdoor Channel

Get ready – a new series featuring real game warden stories is coming to the Outdoor Channel! Premiering in the US on Friday, February 14th at 9:30pm EST, Wardens: Case Files will feature game wardens recounting some of their most unforgettable cases, complete with gripping reenactments. I am honored to be the first guest. We sit down with host Randy Nelson and producer Kayla Schoen for a look at this exciting new show. You won’t want to miss it!

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Here’s what we discuss:

·       A new game warden show on the Outdoor Channel

·       Based on Randy Nelson’s book, The Wildest Hunt

·       “Every warden probably has a book of stories.”

·       Game wardens are great storytellers

·       Tales from the serious to the silly

·       Show format is “similar to a fireside chat.”

·       A picnic gone wrong…

·       Show will promote poaching awareness

·       Many cases have been made by tips from the public

·       “If you see something, say something.”

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

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Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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