132 Drew Milne – British Columbia, Canada

While deployed with the Canadian Armed Forces, Drew Milne picked up a book that inspired him to pursue his true calling and a new career as a conservation officer. Now, after almost two decades and multiple honors, he oversees the beautiful South Coast region of British Columbia, Canada, and teaches at the Western Conservation Law Enforcement Academy. We sit down with Drew at NAWEOA as he shares his passion for helping both recruits and field officers hone their skills through use of force training and de-escalation methods.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Changing careers after six years with the CAF
  • Joined as a seasonal officer in 2008
  • Three years assisting another agency in establishing a new enforcement wing
  • Learned about a park warden’s job while in a tank in Bosnia
  • An encounter with a CO back in Canada
  • Horseback in the Rocky Mountains: hang onto your hat!
  • A life-changing confrontation
  • Learning to lower the temperature
  • Body language matters as much as dialog
  • British Columbia’s CO uniform
  • The path to becoming a BC Conservation Officer
  • Worked at the 2010 Winter Olympics
  • The Yukon: helicopters, float planes, snowmobiles and wildlife
  • A sheep poaching case solved by lichen in a photo
  • BC’s Use of Force lead trainer – sharing lessons learned
  • Remaining calm and respectful, even in tense moments
  • “Who cares what happened before? Now is now.”
  • Personal connections are critical

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

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Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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131 Live from NAWEOA – with Drew Milne (BC), Kris MacCabe (ME) & Chris Gilkey (OH)

This episode finds us live at NAWEOA 2024 in in beautiful Penticton, BC with Maine’s Kris MacCabe, Chris Gilkey from Ohio, and Drew Milne of British Columbia, Canada. The guys sit down for a lively roundtable talk about their respective states and provinces, the beauty surrounding them, and of course, the incredible experience that is NAWEOA.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Grizzlies, rams… and musk ox?
  • A forest fire to the southwest
  • Bears across the continent
  • British Columbia’s strict bear hunting laws
  • Much of BC is public land, filled with wildlife
  • Ohio has far fewer bears
  • Some people love BC bears, others very much do not
  • Connecting and learning at NAWEOA
  • Sharing commonalities and differences
  • NAWEOA 2025: Erie, Pennsylvania
  • The many microclimates of British Columbia
  • “The Napa Valley of Canada.”
  • Canadians really are that friendly
  • Tim Hortons, maple syrup, Cheezies, and poutine
  • “You guys don’t have Smarties?”
  • Chris’ poutine plan: The Gilkey
  • NAWEOA in one word
  • Camaraderie, connection, and family   
  • Snakes!

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

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130 Lukas Madsen – Alberta, Canada

Ahead of NAWEOA 2024 in British Columbia, Canada, Wayne discusses warden life across the border with special guest Sgt. Lukas Madsen, a Fish & Wildlife officer in the neighboring province of Alberta. Sgt. Madsen discusses his path from growing up in the rugged beauty of the Northwest Territories to becoming a game warden, Alberta’s many outdoor opportunities, and shares a few adventures he’s had along the way.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • What Canadian accent?
  • Originally set out to become a biologist
  • Growing up in Yellowknife; one road north, one road south
  • Great Slave Lake is one of the deepest in Canada
  • Outdoor experience creates an advantage
  • Education never stops
  • Had to build experience to be hired full-time
  • Working as a park ranger – aka the Party Police
  • Adventures in bear trapping
  • Sometimes euthanasia is the only option
  • The Western Conservation Law Academy
  • “The best job in the world.”
  • Alberta has an abundance of wildlife
  • A couple of unethical outfitters
  • Wildlife crimes in another country can result in big problems
  • NAWEOA: “We all have the same stories.”
  • Always move forward, always try to do better

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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129 Jason Blaylock – Mississippi – Officer-Involved Shooting

When an officer-involved shooting occurs, we often hear a lot about the victim, but what happens to the person who pulled the trigger?

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Officer-involved shooting: no one knew how to handle it
  • Systemic problems
  • You’re never the same person
  • One trauma can be a huge setback
  • Fit for duty
  • Stigma created by the word “homicide” in media
  • Called to investigate a suspected night hunter
  • Suspect fired at a citizen
  • The chase
  • Suspect stops, then rams Blaylock’s truck and flees
  • Vehicle does not stop at a roadblock
  • Suspect again rams officers’ trucks
  • “I’m not making it home tonight.”
  • Less a decision than a reaction
  • Driver was a 15-year-old male
  • Praying for the driver
  • A helpless, solitary feeling
  • Driver recovered, and was later convicted only of night hunting
  • Officer Blaylock is immediately cleared of wrongdoing
  • Months of interviews and uncertainty
  • A single counselling session
  • “You have to talk about it. You cannot hold it in.”
  • Nearly eleven months off work
  • Stress and its impacts on the body
  • The entire family is affected
  • Friends – and even fellow officers – don’t know what to say
  • Law enforcement, PTSD and alcoholism
  • It’s okay to not be tough
  • Subjects went on to commit more felonies
  • “We don’t know how to handle needing a helping hand.”
  • The importance of being proactive
  • Learning what to expect, how to heal, and how to help

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Art & Design: Ashley Hannett

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128 Father & Sons – with Bill, Wayne, and Aaron Saunders

Bill Saunders’ legacy is a testament to the enduring bond between family and nature. His love for the wilderness, deeply instilled in his sons, has blossomed into a tradition that transcends generations. This Father’s Day, we explore their story; it’s a legacy of living off the land, teaching the next generation to hunt ethically, and nurturing a passion that would one day set a young man on a familiar career path. A family’s tradition, flourishing under the canopy of the great outdoors.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Dad grew up fishing and hunting
  • Snakes!
  • The story of the cowboy in the woods
  • Growing up on roadkill
  • “I’d arrest Mom if I had to.”
  • Adventures with Uncle Warren
  • Learning never to waste a resource
  • The deer that kept standing up
  • Aaron’s first deer
  • Bonding with your kids in the outdoors
  • Hunting hazards: hand injuries and dented tailgates
  • The duck that crash landed
  • Walking through the woods with your kids; it’s about the experience
  • Wildlife populations have changed over the years
  • “If you’re gonna shoot it, you’re gonna eat it.”
  • Porcupines and perch eggs
  • Being related to a game warden can sometimes change your point of view
  • The outdoor legacy continues in Wayne and Aaron’s children

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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127 Jason Blaylock – Mississippi

With record-high wildlife populations, Mississippi’s generous bag limits make it an attractive destination for hunters of all kinds, and game wardens are busy almost year-round. After 23 years with the Mississippi Department of Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks (MDWFP), Lt. Jason Blaylock has made substantial contributions to wildlife conservation and law enforcement in the Magnolia State, and was recently named the National Wild Turkey Federation Conservation Officer of the Year by the MDWFP. Lt. Blaylock joined us at NAWEOA.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Mississippi wardens are busy with game issues for much of the year
  • Working the famous river
  • Close to 200 officers in MS
  • Passing knowledge to the next generation of officers
  • Teaching methods have changed with technology advancements
  • Started school in a pre-med program
  • “I can’t see myself not being outside.”
  • A coincidence that led to a career
  • Many rural game wardens are ‘the’ local law enforcement
  • Opening day is like Christmas
  • Snakes!
  • MS game wardens used to sell licenses from their trucks and homes
  • Bag limits in Mississippi
  • No deer tags required
  • 250+ spotlighting cases
  • 13-year-old night hunters
  • Thanksgiving 2017: an unforgettable night hunting case
  • The repeat, repeat, repeat young offender
  • Suppressors are becoming more common in MS
  • Technology advancements are changing the way game wardens do business
  • The diversity of Mississippi provides a multitude of opportunities

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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126 For the Fallen: Julian Keen – Florida FWC

Florida FWC Officer Julian “Batman” Keen was known for his bright smile, relentless enthusiasm, and deep commitment to the people and wildlife of his home state. On a quiet Sunday morning in 2020, he heard a crash outside his home and looked out to see a truck driving recklessly. He gave chase without hesitation, eventually intercepting the hit and run suspect – who escaped – but inexplicably returned to the scene, opened fire and sped away. Officer Keen was 30 years old. His friend and mentor, FWC Lt. Pam Steelman shares the legacy of a remarkable young man, determined to fulfil a lifelong dream, and give back to the community he loved – and who loved him so dearly in return.

“It is not how these officers died that made them heroes; it is how they lived.” ~ National Law Enforcement Memorial, Washington, DC

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125 Maple Syrup – With Chris Simmons & Ken St. Pierre

Late winter and early spring can find a New England game warden with a little more free time than they’re used to, and many have found a sweet way to tap into one of the nature’s greatest springtime gifts. As maple syrup season draws to a close, we catch up with Maine’s Chris Simmons, of Simmons and Daughters Sugar House, and Ken St. Pierre, of Big Lake Maple in New Hampshire, to learn just what it takes to run a successful sugar house.

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  • Chris got started making syrup with his brothers on the family farm
  • Tapping and processing with whatever they could find
  • Ken was inspired by a colleague who tapped
  • “That’s an awful idea.”
  • Rebuilding a 100-year-old evaporator
  • The expense of expansion
  • Buckets vs. tap lines
  • Weather has made this season’s sap run unpredictable
  • Syruping can be an activity for the whole family
  • Can be as basic or as complex as you want it to be
  • “A heat source, a thermometer, a vessel, and sap.”
  • Make room for friends and neighbors!
  • Chris’ recipe for maple hot dogs
  • Natural syrup is an antioxidant
  • More than a topping: cooking with maple
  • Travel-sized containers can come in handy
  • Where to find Chris and Ken’s websites

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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TGL 038 Annie Teall – Emergency Services Dispatcher

In honor of National Public Safety Telecommunications Week, and emergency services dispatchers everywhere, we proudly present Annie Teal, a seasoned California dispatcher renowned for her calm and effective handling of crisis situations. With over 27 years of experience in dispatch, Annie has become a pivotal figure in emergency response within the San Bernardino community. She gained national recognition during the tragic terrorist attack at the Inland Regional Center on December 2, 2015, where she was the primary police dispatcher. During this critical event, Annie managed the intense flow of emergency communications, demonstrating exemplary professionalism and composure under pressure. Her efforts not only facilitated the rapid response of law enforcement and emergency services but also underscored the vital role dispatchers play in managing public safety crises. Annie’s career reflects a profound commitment to public service and safety.

124 Kandy Klosterman – Ohio

From humble beginnings fishing the tranquil lakes of Ohio to her current position as Chief of Law Enforcement for the Ohio Department of Natural Resources Wildlife Division, Kandy Klosterman is no stranger to blazing trails. As the state’s pioneering female wildlife investigator, she spearheaded numerous high-profile cases, earning multiple accolades along the way – including the prestigious Guy Bradley Award for lifetime contributions to wildlife law enforcement. With a career spanning nearly three decades, her commitment to safeguarding Ohio’s natural resources, mentoring the next generation of officers, and championing the inclusion of women in wildlife conservation sets the standard for excellence. We can’t wait to see what she does next!

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Accepted Chief of Law Enforcement position in June 2023
  • Grew up fishing and hunting with her grandfather in Ohio
  • Mentors are essential
  • “You’re not born with a shotgun or fishing rod in your hand.”
  • Worked mowing grass on ODNR property
  • “I want to be a wildlife officer!”
  • Volunteering led to a part-time position
  • Only woman in the Academy in 1998
  • Mentoring the next generation of officers
  • All staff take part in educating new cadets
  • 1920s saw the first female wildlife officer in Ohio
  • 15 female officers in 120 years, but more all the time
  • Early career involved several areas of the state
  • Wildlife investigator for 21 years
  • Adventures in undercover work
  • Ohio’s Women Officers of Wildlife group
  • Female Wildlife Officers in OH wore men’s uniforms until the mid-90s
  • Ohio DNR organization and command structure
  • Nearly three-decade career
  • Statewide working groups: “I don’t have to know everything.”
  • Leveraging drone capabilities
  • Plans to expand Search & Rescue
  • Accreditation program for outfitters and guides
  • A fraudulent interstate outfitter case
  • Encouraging the next generation of female WOs
  • “Someone taught you, now you need to teach them.”
  • Working with cadets brings you back to your roots

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