031 Elk Poacher – A Current Case in Utah

In the first episode with John Nores Jr as co-host, we explore a bizarre active and open elk poaching case in Utah.  That means we need your help.  We discuss the details of the case, the weapons used, and the rewards that are growing for information regarding this case. We also discuss the co-venture between Wayne and John, a new podcast found solely on Patreon called Thin Green Line found Thin Green Line Podcast.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Doing and Teaching
  • Teamwork
  • A California Warden
  • Fired Up, Disgusting Poacher
  • GoFundMe
  • Corona Virus Monkey Wrench
  • Thin Green Line and Fans of North Woods Law
  • Triple Threat
  • JJ123 – Glastone Family
  • Hotline and Ski Resort
  • Dead of Winter
  • Chad Betridge – Utah
  • 5×5 Bulls
  • Shooting Elk with a 22
  • Hearing is Seeing – Critical Info
  • $40k in Rewards for Info
  • A Peregrine Falcon and Operation Game Thief
  • The Virus in Utah
  • Lock Down
  • Living in the Woods, Internet Service
  • Let’s Catch This Guy

030 Hunt of a Lifetime – In Memory of Naomi Swanson

Hunt Of A Lifetime is a nonprofit organization with a mission to grant hunting & fishing dreams for children age 21 and under, who have been diagnosed with life threatening illnesses or life threatening disabilities.  Wayne interviews two Ambassadors heavily involved in the program while attending the NH Outdoor Expo.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • NH Outdoor Expo
  • Escaping Pain and Getting into the Wilderness
  • For Mom, Dad, Child to Forget it All
  • A Rifle Shoot, Ambassadors and Volunteers
  • A Kids Dream of Hunting or Fishing
  • Rod, Firearm, or Bow
  • From Trip to Taxidermy, Dream Trips
  • A Girl from Oregon
  • The Reality is Grim
  • Right Spot, Right Equipment, Pro Hunter
  • A Love Sick Moose, OMG
  • We Dragged that Moose Out at 1130pm
  • Guides and Outfitters
  • Canada, US, and International
  • Exotics in Texas
  • Ted Nugent and the Advisory Board
  • Josh Holander from Michigan
  • Weak from Chemo
  • Fulfilling Tags on the Last Day
  • HuntofaLifeTime.org
  • Donations, Frequent Flyer Miles, Raffles
  • Soul Touching
  • Self Feeding

029 John Nores Jr – Hidden War – Reclaiming Wildlands from Drug Cartels

California game warden Lt. John Nores, Jr., now retired, has been at the forefront and on the front lines of an under-reported battle against thousands of drug cartel members who grow toxic marijuana on U.S. soil. Not only does black market marijuana cultivation undermine legitimate growers, but it endangers lives and wildlife populations unimagined. Wayne breaks down the book Hidden War with Author John Nores Jr.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Dead Frogs and Fish
  • Someone Is Stealing Water
  • Little Marijuana Plants Cartel North of the Border
  • Working with Narcotics Task Force
  • Winter Run Off, Human Feces, Nitrates in the Stream
  • A $20 Million Operation
  • New Wildlife Enemy – The Drug Cartel
  • Man, Game Wardens Are Good in the Woods
  • What Planet are you From?
  • Poor Horse, Dumb Kids
  • Late Season Poacher Patrol – Career Path Change
  • Outrage from the Organic Community
  • Earth Warriors
  • Don’t Underestimate the Enemy
  • Always Being Recorded, They Saw Me Pee
  • Cell Cameras and Drug Growers
  • Most Poachers Don’t Shoot Back
  • Most Are Allies with a Gun
  • But, Drug Traffickers Will Shoot Back
  • Unique K-9s Units to Smell the Enemy
  • 3 Hour Wait, Patrol Partner Shot
  • Hunting Bad Guys, with Snipers
  • Thing Were Too Quiet
  • Bad Guy God Off One Shot
  • Trauma 101, M14 Battle Rifle
  • Hard Reset, Memory Training
  • Divine Intervention
  • No Air Support, Bleeding to Death
  • Trespassing Drug Growers, a Different Mindset
  • K-9s, K-9s, K-9s
  • Thin Green Line Podcast

028 Glen Lucas – Snowmobile Patrol Part II – Snow Machines, Investigations, Accidents, and Pursuits

This is part two of a two part series with Glen Lucas, a regular on North Woods Law.  Around the time when deer season ends and the snow starts to stick,  snowmobilers from all around start to flock to where the trails are deep and fast.  And, because of the design of the Warden’s duties in New Hampshire, so begins a new season of law enforcement.   Glen shares several new stories in this episode including snow machine accident investigations, high speed pursuits, and a ride with the Governor of New Hampshire.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • I Can’t Remember Losing a Runner
  • Tracking Sleds
  • Blue Lights, Sirens, and a Trail Groomer
  • An Indy Trail Junker
  • A Typical Wednesday, Fun and Rewarding
  • Closing Trails, Economic Problems, Loud Pipes
  • Enforcement, Landowner, Club to Game Warden
  • I Lost 6 Pounds Off My Trail Weight
  • The 74.40 Club and the 248 Club
  • A Search Warrant for a Loud Exhaust
  • I Bought It That Way
  • A Track Record of Lying and Thieving
  • First Responder and First Aid
  • A Non-Responsive, Non-Breathing Call
  • Homicide? Negligent Homicide?
  • He Was Left There to Die
  • Just Give Me a Direction
  • Coming Down, Had to Educate, Returning Respect
  • Cookie Cutter Cases to Something Isn’t Right
  • Mumbling Fumbling Impaired, Where’s the Helmet?
  • He Ran Over His Buddy
  • Calling In the Crime Lab
  • A Non Fudge-able Piece of Evidence
  • See a Crack, Work It
  • Not Funded by General Funds
  • Changing Behavior and Education
  • Chris Sununu Riding Snowmobiles in the North Country
  • The Governor’s Ride
  • The County Attorney

027 Glen Lucas – The Snowmobile Patrol – Part One

Around the time when deer season ends and the snow starts to stick, snowmobilers from all around start to flock to where the trails are deep and fast. And, because of the design of the Warden’s duties in New Hampshire, so begins a new season of law enforcement. Glen Lucas knows the snow machine season in NH very well. It’s arguably the most dangerous part of a NH warden’s job. Glen shares several stories and a detailed account of two high speed snow machine chases that eventually led to convictions.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Off Highway Rec Vehicles
  • Creating a Snow Machine Training Course
  • A Gun Fight on a Snowmobile
  • Cover, Track for Protection form Gun Fire
  • Mock Chase, Cover, Concelment
  • Crimes on Snowmobiles, Bank Robbery
  • Riding in Bad Conditions
  • Where Warden’s Get Together
  • Learning to Turn, Off Trail Trending
  • Snowmobiling in the 1980s
  • Nash Stream
  • Riding at 60mph, Mom
  • 1000 Miles Is Fun, But the People
  • District 2, Maine Border
  • Just Wayne Saunders
  • Black Mach Z
  • Reaction is Good with Experience
  • It’s Been a Great Career Glenn
  • Not a Maine Warden
  • District 1, Lancaster
  • Snodeo and a Red Bull Helmet
  • Calculating Risk Vs Return
  • A 15 Miles Chase to the Upper Ammonoosuc River
  • In the Horse Pasture, Search the Perimeter
  • Mr Hand and a Glass of Water
  • We Don’t like to Lose
  • Jail for 7 Months Forfeit of Snowmobiles
  • Lying is a Misdemeanor
  • Stay Safe, But Work Hard
  • Reciprocity Weekend
  • Riding with Bob – Transfer to Invesigator
  • 1000s of Sleds
  • Eagles Nest
  • Orange Sled Skiis
  • Marijuana in Plain Site
  • Stop or You Will Be Tased

026 Praveed “Abe” Abraham – Warden Pennsylvania Game Commission

Praveed “Abe” Abraham’s journey to Game Warden is unique.  Abe’s travel’s began in India as a young man and then to Yonkers, New York in the concrete jungle.  Abe always knew that he loved the outdoors and wildlife and on a chance, applied to be a game warden.  Not long after Abe found himself at the Academy and he’s never looked back. Abe is the first ethnic Game Warden in Pennsylvania.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • The Park and Nature
  • Guyana – Hunting in the Jungle
  • Concrete Jungle
  • Waffle House and Farming
  • Hamburg PA
  • I Move Away from India
  • XYZ, Dead Deer Training
  • Calling Yonkers
  • I Got In
  • Boarding School Prep for the Academy
  • The First Ethnic Warden
  • 51 Weeks, A Specific and Special Place
  • Acronyms
  • Game Warden Aren’t Going to be Millionaires
  • Law of the Woods
  • If Everything was Sunshine and Rainbows
  • Sprayed with Mace
  • The Pochonos Love Capital
  • A Huge Bear Population
  • A Bear at Hunter’s Safety Classes

025 Jim Cyrs – New Hampshire Game Warden, Snowologist & North Woods Law

Jim Cyrs is a New Hampshire Game Warden, Conservation Officer, a frequent guest on North Woods Law, and holds a degree in snow science.  Jim works the north country of New Hampshire when the snow gets deep and the terrain gets rugged, especially around Mount Washington.  Jim shares several stories of intriguing cases that he’s investigated during his time with NH Fish and Game.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • A Metal Detector and a Bear Case
  • Not a Bear Problem, It’s a People Problem
  • 5 to 6 Feet of Snow in June
  • Snow in July on Mt Washington
  • A Degree in Snow Science, Snowology
  • Biogeography
  • Mt Washington Park Ranger
  • Don’t Open Two Doors at Once
  • The Androscoggin Rescue Team
  • Dinner on the Peak
  • Low Grade Rock Climbing
  • World’s Worst Weather
  • 3 Different Weather Fronts and the Jet Stream
  • 3700′ Tree Line in NH vs 8000′ Treeline Western States
  • The Lost Beaver
  • A Profession in the Outdoors
  • The Wild River and Town of Hastings
  • A Record for Carrying Stuff
  • Calm, Collective, Serious – Bill Hastings
  • Offering a Handshake post Ticket
  • Only Night Hunting Failure
  • Protecting Landowners
  • Building and Illegal Snowmobile Trail
  • Breaking Federal Laws
  • Worth with Us, We’ll Work with You
  • A Credit Card Warrant
  • Foot Patrol, Prosecutor, Investigator
  • Building a Solid Case
  • Search and Rescue and Fitness
  • Cotton Kills when Wet
  • Hypothermia
  • Game Wardens in Sweden
  • POB Beacon Hits and Personal Locators
  • Snow All December
  • Tree Wells 10 Feet Down
  • 65lbs Packs
  • Follow the River
  • A GPS

024 Capt Tom Caifa – New York’s 140th Anniversary Conservation Protection

Conservation protection and enforcement in the late 1800s looked a lot different than it does today. We speak with Historian and Conservation Officer Captain Tom Caifa about the history of conservation law and protection over the last 140 years in New York State. The stories are priceless.

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Here’s What We Discuss:
The 140th Year of New York’s Conservation Police
Captain Tom Caifa
Historian and Conservation Officer
Showing New Recruits the Roots
Old Seal Skin Hats and New Jackets
A Law Book and Blank Tickets
The Case Would Lead the Travel
Broad Rules and Laws
1880 – Labrador Duck, Eastern Elk
Low Numbers of Deer and Turkey
Stopping Mass Hunting and Big Company Habitat Destruction
Hard to Find Game Protection Until 1930s
$500/year Income ($14000 today’s money)
NYC Illegal Trade
Wild Meat Canning
Chef Boyardee – Fined for Illegal Canning of Wild Meat
The Big Boom Post WWII
Population Creates Problems
Ticonderoga – A Deal with Landowners
Tanneries and the First Pollution Cases
Sam Taylor 1914
Fallen Officer’s Coin
Bill Kramer
Looking to the Military for Uniform Design
Secret Service of Game Protectors and Undercover Agents
Education and Public Outreach
Partnering with the NRA
Hunter Safety Hall of Fame
It Was a Hunting Accident But Was Probably a Homicide Back Then
Game Protectors to Game Wardens
Being Shot in the Badge
Department of Environmental Conservation
The First Game Police
Eb and Flow of Morale
The Swiss Army Knife of Law Enforcement
The Olympics at Lake Placid

023 Colonel Eddie Henderson – Georgia DNR

Colonel Eddie Henderson spent 36 years serving the state of Georgia at the Department of Natural Resources. Now retired, Col Henderson is able to reflect on his many cases that ranged from drug trafficking, to night hunting, to exotic animals and search and rescue. We discuss the changes that Col Henderson has seen over the years and get into details on a few of his exciting cases.

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Here’s What We Discuss:
My Second Colonel Interview
I Don’t Have an Accent
36 Year Career in Georgia DNR
Basic Academy and Hunting Season
$32,500 only 5 Years Ago
Patrolling Up River
Boating, Fishing, Hunting, DNR Land
Shorts are Optional
Cuff On, Then What?
Drug Trafficking and Exotic Animals
Dragging Out a Deer in August
100 Applicants, 20 Jobs
Dodge Power Wagon
The Next Piece of Equipment
A Night Hunting Case
A Ford Bronco and Too Easy
The Gotcha Moment
Search and Rescue Support Team
Search and Rescue Dollars
Focus on Conservation Law Enforcement
Georgia Special Teams K-9
Critical Incidents Reconstruction Team
Investigative Teams Overt and Covert
Poachers Like to Brag, Generally
Building a Network
Focus on the Positive
Conservation Enforcement Leadership
The Appalachian Trail

022 Mark Ober – North Country Game Warden

Mark Ober is now the Lieutenant for District 1 for the NH Fish and Game Department, but before that, Mark was a Sargent and Trainee under Wayne Saunders (the host of Warden’s Watch). Mark and Wayne discuss various situations and cases that they worked together including several night hunting cases, decoy sets for illegal shooting, and some north country search and rescue missions.

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Here’s What We Discuss:
Don Noyes Chevrolet
Opportunity vs Entrapment
He Took My Job
The Berlin Area
Ruining a Good Time
A Snot Ticket
Wet, Intoxicated, Covered in Blood
Punch Happy
Muzzle Flash
Drop the Phone, Big Bang, Game On
Furrows on the Train Tracks
Loons are Powerful, I’m Cramping Up
A Moose Double Kill, Wait Triple Kill
Accidents Happen
A Stratford Case
Face of the Radio Glows
KaBoom, KaBoom, KaBoom
The Plywood Decoy
The Value of a Chase Vehicle
A Big Buck on the Tail Gate
A Necessary Evil
Finding the Beacon