148 For the Fallen: Daryl Gordon – Maine Warden Service

Maine Warden Service Pilot Daryl Gordon was known for his faith, his love of family, fishing and flying, and his steadfast dedication to the people and natural resources of his home state. While flying over the North Maine Woods after a busy day of service, Pilot Gordon’s Cessna went down in a snow squall, prompting a massive search. Warden Preston Pomerleau, whose K9 service partner is named in Gordon’s honor, shares his memories of that day, and reflects on how the entire Maine Warden Service continues to honor and remember their friend.

“It is not how these officers died that made them heroes; it is how they lived.” ~ National Law Enforcement Memorial, Washington, DC

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144 Mindy Rugg – Maine Warden Service

In our final episode celebrating Women’s History Month 2025, we’re excited to welcome Maine game warden Mindy Rugg. Inspired by our very own podcast, Mindy transitioned from a successful career as a vet tech to become a game warden in 2021. Join us as she shares her journey, the challenges she faces, and the unique perspective women bring to the job.  

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Gained many skills in her previous career as a vet tech
  • Needed to be outside
  • Listened to the Warden’s Watch podcast
  • Not everyone loves the game warden
  • Hired in 2021, full-time in 2022
  • Checking hundreds of boats a day
  • On the job experience can be the best communication training
  • People react well if you treat them fairly
  • Strategies to manage dyslexia
  • Spell check, Grammarly, and text-to-speech
  • Working in Western Maine – close to home, but not too close
  • “Every single day I learn something new.”
  • Mindy’s favorite Warden’s Watch episode
  • Maine Warden Service now has seven female officers
  • Many companies don’t make clothing for women in law enforcement
  • Don’t talk yourself out of it – make it happen
  • It’s no longer a shock to meet a female game warden
  • Women can bring a different perspective to the job

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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117 Let’s Go For a Ride – with Bill Livezey

For twenty years, Bill Livezey led a double life rubbing shoulders with some of Maine’s worst wildlife offenders; the kinds of people who not only live by the poacher’s mantra “if it’s brown, it’s down,” but many who were dangerously unstable felons, alcoholics, and drug abusers – his success at putting bad guys out of business stemming largely from his early years as one of them. Since retiring in 2020 as the Maine Warden Service’s longest-tenured covert operative, he has co-written Let’s Go For a Ride, a captivating chronicle of both a life undercover, and a life transformed.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • “Let’s go for a ride” – the universal bad guy code
  • Desire for wealth sent his father down a dark road
  • From successful businessman to meth dealer
  • Hired a hit man to kill his own brother
  • Ultimately died in a confrontation with police
  • Young Bill loved sports and the outdoors, but was using drugs regularly by 15
  • Spiraling out of control: “I was broken.”
  • Positive influences and an invitation from a teammate changed everything
  • Unity college and riding with the game warden
  • An extra-long warden service polygraph
  • Applying as many times as it takes
  • The young game warden who knew all the tricks
  • Experience as a juvenile lent itself to undercover work
  • Befriending, then arresting poachers was a psychological struggle
  • “Pull over! I’m an undercover game warden!”
  • Relationships have to feel real; some were easy, some not so much
  • Undercover work was difficult to step away from
  • Some cases were especially taxing
  • The fear of being discovered
  • The book brings the reader into each case

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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North Woods Throwdown – with Eric Fluette & Kris MacCabe

It’s that time of year again and game wardens from Maine and New Hampshire are ready to hit the field in Portland, Maine on July 28th for the fourth annual North Woods Throwdown softball game! We’re joined by New Hampshire’s Eric Fluette and Kris MacCabe of Maine, taking a look back at previous games, and unveiling an exciting new streaming option so fans can tune in from anywhere and support Operation Game Thief. Come join the fun in person if you can, or grab your streaming ticket here!

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Idea for a fundraising softball game started in Maine
  • Every game so far has been a squeaker
  • Fans shook the stadium!
  • Game bats are made in Maine
  • A ‘friendly’ rivalry
  • Extra, extra, extra innings
  • Stadium wanted to turn the lights off!
  • Streaming option will allow fans to tune in from anywhere
  • Dugout interviews and multiple cameras
  • Every kid’s dream to play in a stadium
  • Did wardens get paid for North Woods Law? (Hint: No.)
  • New Hampshire fans and giant head cutouts
  • Maine looking to tie the series
  • “We’re gonna need a bigger plaque.”

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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100B Celebrating 100 Episodes!

In this special bonus episode, our hosts and producer get together with fan favorites Kris MacCabe of Maine, Benny Richards of Texas, and New Hampshire’s own Col. Kevin Jordan. Join us for a fun and wide-ranging chat looking back on 100 episodes, and looking forward to 100 more!

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93 Col. Joel Wilkinson (Ret.) – Maine – Part II

Joel Wilkinson spent 28 years serving the state of Maine, including twelve years as Colonel of the Maine Warden Service. Now retired, Col. Wilkinson sits down with Wayne to reflect on an extraordinary career that began when he was just a teen. In this episode, we discuss his swift rise through the ranks, a television show that almost wasn’t, the challenges and rewards the outdoors can provide, and some valuable lessons learned along the way.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Captain to Colonel
  • Remembering Maj. Gregg Sanborn
  • Choosing quality leaders
  • Every day was an education
  • We all started in the same place
  • Empowering people through Operation Game Thief (OGT)
  • The wall of shame
  • Fundraising to offer larger rewards
  • International Wildlife Crimestoppers provided fresh ideas
  • The Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact
  • OGT trailers manned at all times; “we have to tell the stories.”
  • Blazing the North Woods Law trail
  • Turned down the original request
  • What are our fears? What are our goals?
  • It had to be authentic without being disrespectful
  • A gentlemen’s agreement
  • Popularity brought some unexpected situations
  • Ending the Maine story in the best way possible
  • Didn’t want to be seen as making money
  • The diversity educated the public
  • Inspiring kids to become game wardens
  • Passing the torch to New Hampshire
  • The North Woods Throwdown
  • Back Woods Law?!?
  • Bluefin tuna fishing takes more than skill
  • You have to do a lot of little things right
  • It’s all about respect for the animal
  • Confidence comes with experience
  • Plan to be successful
  • The abundance mentality
  • Life after retirement

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

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92 Col. Joel Wilkinson (Ret.) – Maine – Part I

Joel Wilkinson spent 28 years serving the state of Maine, including twelve years as Colonel of the Maine Warden Service. Now retired, Col. Wilkinson sits down with Wayne to reflect on an extraordinary career that began when he was just a teen. In this episode, we discuss his early years as a game warden, including an intense turn in covert operations that resulted in some of the agency’s most significant prosecutions of the time.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Maine has used the term ‘game warden’ since 1880
  • No time to hunt or fish.
  • Learned about the outdoors from a girlfriend’s father
  • Started riding with game wardens at 16
  • Became a deputy warden at 19
  • Tried to sneak in a little early
  • “This is all I wanted to do.”
  • 2000 applicants, few positions
  • Tried appealing to the Colonel
  • Joined a local police department to gain experience
  • Trained with many Maine wardens at the academy
  • Finally hired by Maine Warden Service at 22
  • No warden in his area for 11 years
  • Caught first night hunter eight days after graduating
  • Moving to a new area, population: 4
  • Chris Simmons becomes the boss… and moves in across the road
  • A memorable Thanksgiving night
  • Shifting into covert investigations
  • A big case, but some unnerving moments
  • Targets often under the influence of alcohol and drugs
  • Seeing the other side
  • “It changed how we did business.”
  • Making Captain at 32
  • Learned many administrative skills
  • The Maine whitewater rafting industry
  • Many companies offer rafting, hiking, and rock climbing

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Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

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W06 Moose with Lee Kantar

Lee Kantar is man with moose on his mind. Whether he’s conducting aerial population surveys by helicopter, attaching specially adapted tracking collars, or racing to the scene of a mortality to conduct a field necropsy, Maine’s official state moose biologist is dedicated to the health and survival of the largest herbivore in the North Woods. Throughout the last decade, he has been integral to building a moose management program that’s been described as one of the most modern and comprehensive in the US.  

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012 Kris MacCabe – Maine Warden Service

Hitting clean up is Kris MacCabe as part of our interview series of North Woods Law Warden’s as a lead up to the North Woods Law Throwdown Softball Game. Kris is a competitive guy with a passion for the woods of Maine and the Maine Warden Service.

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Here’s What We Discuss:
The Maine Warden Services
A Name Back to 1880
Vacationland vs Live Free or Die
Search and Rescue, Police in the Woods
Competitive
2 Weeks to 2.5 Year Search
A K-9 and Return to Base
Warden Search vs Volunteer Search
Sighting and False Sightings
Hunting and Search for Closure
Not a Job, It’s a Lifestyle
The Earle of Errol
The People’s Game Warden
A Warden’s Reputation – Healthy Fear
Role Reversal, Mrs MacCabe
Hunting Under the Influence
The Red Coats
My Neighbor was a Really Good Night Hunter
A Decoy and a Backyard Case
A Preemptive Warrant
A Birthday Gift with Deer All Around
The Canadian Did It
Red Handed Night Hunt
Standby to Standby, Nerve Racking
Manhunt for Corp Cole’s Killer
FBI Agents and Clearing the Cabin
North Woods Law
Game Wardens are Curious
We Always Have the Best Spots
Nothing Good Happens After Midnight
Airing in Germany, Less Commercials in Europe

009 Greg Sirpis – Maine’s Operation Game Thief

Poaching is no different than stealing from a grocery store. Backed by the members of Maine’s Operation Game Thief (OGT), Greg Sirpis strives to lead Maine’s charge against poachers.  As Chairman of the Board for Maine’s OGT, Greg’s mission is to protect Maine’s natural resources. By organizing and promoting, educating, and making reporting easier for everyone, Greg hopes to catch one poacher at a time and reduce the number of animals and fish that are illegally taken in Maine every year.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Upcoming Softball Game
  • Operation Game Thief
  • Wildlife Crimes Stoppers
  • Turning in a Poacher, Anonymously
  • Rewards, Most Don’t Want the Money
  • A Passion for Catching Bad Guys
  • Greg’s Start with OGT
  • An Opportunity for Cabela’s to Lead the Charge
  • It’s a Full Time Job
  • New Content – Live Streams
  • A Non-Profit That Represents
  • Friends of OGT
  • Educational Committee, The Ethics
  • 25,000 Deer Taken Illegally in Maine
  • Poaching is No Different Than Stealing
  • 1 800 Alert Us to a 411 App
  • Limited Amount of Resources
  • Quality Information
  • Eleven Volunteers
  • The Moose Lottery on a Weekend
  • Aug 3rd, Hadlock Field, North Woods Throwdown
  • International Wildlife Crime Stoppers
  • Northeast Wildlife Conference
  • Africa Fighting Tooth and Nail
  • Coyotes – Losing the Balance
  • Hard to Measure
  • Coming Up Next: Eric Fluette