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North East Conservation Law Enforcement Chiefs Association

North American Wildlife Enforcement Officers Association

Here’s what we discuss:

Kicking off the return of Warden’s Watch Wild: “I’ve got some wild stuff going on.”
Meeting Jake DeBow, three years in the making to get him on the show
Growing up with a father who was a nuisance wildlife trapper
“It was always raccoons and skunks coming home in cage traps.”
Sports first, trapping later, rediscovering it in college and grad school
Getting into beaver trapping because “beaver meat is delicious.”
Starting a trapline together as a couple, relationship goals outdoors style
“She was never squeamish… just fascinated.”
Using everything from a beaver: meat, fur, skulls, and glands
The “rabbit holes” of natural products and curiosity
The quiet, frozen beauty of winter trapping
“There’s something really special about being out there.”
Why trapping is harder to get into than hunting
Appeal for young adults after college looking for purpose and connection
Accessibility of beaver vs deer, “there’s a beaver in just about every ditch.”
Feeding 50% of their red meat intake from beaver
“I’ve never had someone try it and not love it.”
Beaver as the “beef of the river,” rich, mild, versatile
Supplying beaver for a wild game dinner, big reactions from the crowd
Getting 9 to 12 meals plus weeks of dog food from one animal
The origins of New England Naturals and frustration with low fur prices
“We got $12 a beaver… it didn’t feel right.”
Early side hustle, Etsy shop, tinctures, moose antler dog chews
Pandemic pivot and turning $2,000 and fiddleheads into a sewing machine
Teaching themselves fur sewing from scratch
Starting with beaver fur koozies and laughing about early attempts
The TikTok turning point, one video and everything sold out
“We couldn’t keep up… we were sewing until 2AM!”
Hiring their first employee and outgrowing the basement
Moving into a real workspace and rapid growth over two years
Using social media for education, not just selling
Breaking misconceptions about trapping and outdated stereotypes
“Trappers were quiet for 30 years… that time is gone.”
The importance of public understanding and support
Why people are reconnecting with their food
“There’s something special about being responsible for what’s on your plate.”
That same mindset applied to clothing and materials
Fur as durable, warm, and biodegradable
Plastic clothing “is going to be your grandkids’ problem.”
Product focus on practical, hard-use gear
Core products: muffs, mittens, bomber hats, and hand warmers
“We want fur in people’s hands that actually gets used.”
Beaver fur hand warmers – simple, reusable, effective
Cat toys made from real fur: “cats go nuts for them.”
Future ideas: blankets, vests, and more product expansion
Balancing growth, time, and staying true to their mission
Shop New England Naturals
Follow the fun on TikTok, YouTube, Facebook, and Instagram

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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172 For the Fallen: First Sgt. Karl Kelley – Indiana DNR

Posted on May 13, 2026May 13, 2026 by nhfishcop10

In this National Police Week memorial episode, Wayne sits down with two men who lived through an unimaginable moment when a training exercise turned into a fight for survival. Retired Indiana DNR Lieutenant Colonel Terry Hyndman and First Sgt. Tom Jahn revisit the day they lost their friend and teammate, First Sgt. Karl Kelley, in a swift water incident that still shapes them decades later. It’s a difficult listen at times – but an important one – and a reminder of what service and brotherhood truly mean.

“It is not how these officers died that made them heroes; it is how they lived.” ~ National Law Enforcement Memorial, Washington, DC

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North American Wildlife Enforcement Officers Association

Here’s what we discuss:

Why Warden’s Watch dedicates a yearly episode to the fallen during Police Week
Remembering Karl Kelley and the legacy he left behind
“How do you ever repay a debt so great?”
The early days of Indiana’s swift water rescue program
“We were wet behind the ears.”
Building a nationally respected training program from the ground up
What low-head dams are, and why they’re called “drowning machines.”
The deceptive danger: “It looks calm… but it’s a washing machine underneath.”
Training for worst-case scenarios in real-world environments
The setup at Williams Dam – a powerful and unpredictable system
The two-boat tether rescue technique explained
When everything goes wrong in seconds
Losing engine power and being pulled toward the dam
“We knew we were in trouble.”
First Sgt. Kelley moving in without hesitation to save his teammates
Multiple rescue attempts before the final, fatal approach
“Just 20 feet in front of us, I remember his boat going over.”
Two boats and four officers trapped in the boil
“We fought to survive for 20 minutes in that dam.”
The relentless force of the dam, flipping boats, tearing equipment apart
Fighting to stay alive in conditions you cannot control
Terry’s perspective from shore and the race to respond
The last-ditch move: turning a boat into a “sea anchor.”
The moment the current finally gives way and releases them
Despite the best gear and training, “those dams don’t care.”
Karl passes away days later
Survivor’s guilt: “He died for me… what do you do with that?”
“I didn’t want to survive after that. I didn’t think I could go on.”
Finding purpose and honoring sacrifice after tragedy
How shared trauma connects officers across time and distance
Supporting another officer years later who lived the same nightmare
“If you’ve walked in those shoes… you become their light.”
Who Karl was – mentor, leader, and quiet influence
“You don’t always have to swing for the fence” – leadership advice that stuck
A devoted family man who valued life beyond the job
The moment at the funeral – “Don’t quit.”
Choosing to carry on and honour the sacrifice
“We can’t repay it… but we can choose to live better. We choose to work better, do better.”

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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171 Kevin & Kathy Behr – Survivors With Purpose

Posted on May 7, 2026May 7, 2026 by nhfishcop10

On this episode of Warden’s Watch, we sit down again with Ohio’s Kevin Behr – this time joined by his wife, Kathy – to talk about survival, recovery, and the purpose they’ve found after Kevin was shot in the line of duty. Recorded at the International Game Warden Conference, this conversation goes beyond the incident itself and into what happens after – for officers, spouses, families, and anyone navigating a critical incident. A powerful update, an honest conversation, and a reminder that survival comes with responsibility – and that even in the worst moments, purpose can still be found.

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Here’s what we discuss:

Kathy’s spouse‑focused training on critical incidents – and why she created it
“You don’t realize what you don’t have in place until it’s happening”
Navigating power of attorney, medical decisions, and legal realities mid‑crisis
Being Kevin’s voice while he was unconscious – medically and legally
Why law enforcement statements on medication can be problematic in court
The emotional toll on spouses and kids when an officer is critically injured
Kevin seeing purpose in survival: “We did – they didn’t, so we have work to do.”
Turning trauma into something meaningful, even when healing isn’t linear
Stubbornness as a survival trait (and yes, it helped)
Brain injury recovery, negativity, and recognizing the long road back
Living with permanent change and reframing it positively
“Any fool can get through this – I’m living proof.”
The power of humor in trauma recovery
Doctors who refuse to give up: “Nobody quits on my team. Not even you.”
Finding a new purpose when the old one can’t exist anymore
How Kevin’s experience now helps train officers, trauma teams, and agencies
The ripple effect of sharing hard truths so others can prepare
Sidebar conversations that matter more than the main stage
Why laughing, crying, and telling the story all matter
“Everybody’s the main character in their own story.”
Surviving isn’t the end – it’s the beginning of responsibility
Kevin and Kathy as resources for those walking similar paths
Miracles along the way – and choosing to keep them moving forward

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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Field to Fork – Wild Game Cooking with Iron Skillet

Posted on April 24, 2026April 24, 2026 by nhfishcop10

In this episode of Warden’s Watch, we’re introducing a new sponsor to the show – Iron Skillet Seasonings – and sitting down with the people behind the product. Founder Dennis Dedek and new owner Cody Baciuska join us to talk about how Iron Skillet got its start, why their seasonings are developed specifically for wild game, and what makes them different from anything else on the shelf. From decades‑old family recipes to practical, real‑world cooking advice, this is a conversation about making wild game taste its best – without overcomplicating it.

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North American Wildlife Enforcement Officers Association

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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170 The Ray Anderson Case – Washington State

Posted on April 17, 2026April 23, 2026 by nhfishcop10

What began as a baffling discovery in a Washington State clearcut quickly turned into one of the most significant wildlife cases in the region – mainly because of the sentence that followed. Officers Lanny McOmber and Sergeant Brian Alexander walk us through a long, technical investigation involving multiple poached elk, complex necropsies, geofence warrants, cutting-edge tech and a suspect who just couldn’t stay away.

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Here’s what we discuss:

Why officers called it the Ray Anderson case
Four elk found dead in a clearcut
“There was no question – this was a poaching incident.”
Necropsies on multiple elk in field conditions
No bullets or brass recovered
A fifth elk tied to the incident
Early frustration with limited evidence
Asking the public for tips
Turning to geofence warrants
A complex, multi‑step warrant process
Waiting months for data returns
Separate trespassing issues on timber land
Cut gates and trail cameras
A familiar vehicle keeps reappearing
The suspect returning near the scene
Contact with a convicted felon
Firearms located in the vehicle
Quietly keeping cases separate
Geofence data starts lining up
An interview that slowly tightens
Initial denials turn into admissions
The claim of “guiding” elk by shooting at them
Washington’s spree‑killing statute explained
Elevating wildlife violations to felonies
How prior case law came full circle
The gut punch of sentencing day
A delayed – but meaningful – outcome
Mentorship and career‑defining cases
“You create your own luck in this job.”

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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169 – PAGC Tracking Team

Posted on April 4, 2026April 4, 2026 by nhfishcop10

In this episode of Warden’s Watch, we sit down with members of the Pennsylvania Game Commission’s Tracking Team – a rare, highly trained group of game wardens who specialize in man tracking. From grassroots beginnings and intense training standards to real‑world deployments where everything clicks, this conversation explores what it truly means to be experts in the woods. Along the way, the guys share powerful success stories, gear talk, and a reminder that camaraderie might just be the most important tool they carry.

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Here’s what we discuss:

How Pennsylvania’s Tracking Team grew from a small grassroots idea
Wardens investing in their own training before the team officially existed
The missing person search that proved the team’s value
What it really means to be “the police in the woods”
Why earning a tab can take two to five years
The training required to stay on the team, from tracking to firearms to med skills
Why trackers focus on disturbance, not perfect boot prints
“If it was just footprints in the sand, we wouldn’t need a tracking team.”
Learning the natural patterns of the woods – and noticing what breaks them
How time, distance, and decision‑making shape every search
A call‑out that led to a young boy being found and returned home
A fugitive pursuit that unfolded just like a training scenario
“Everything clicked – it felt like Christmas morning.”
How tracking teams and K9 units support each other in the field
Knowing the limits of scent work and when human tracking matters most
The gear they carry and why preparation is everything
A quick snack can be a small thing that makes a big difference
How mapping and coordination happen before teams ever hit the woods
The close‑knit camaraderie that defines the team
What it means to wear the tab and lead by example
The “shirt off your back” tradition
Why so many wardens want to join the team – and why standards stay high
How teams like this help agencies stay trusted, capable, and relevant

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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168 Talking Turkey – With Patrick Gibbs & Ben Martin

Posted on March 20, 2026March 20, 2026 by nhfishcop10

Spring might still be a snow-covered dream up north, but down in Georgia the dogwoods are thinking about blooming – and that means the turkeys are waking up. This week, Georgia Game Warden Patrick Gibbs and Ben Martin of ⁠HuntRegs⁠ join Wayne for a closer look into the southern turkey season, the surprising quirks of Georgia’s big‑game rules, and why the HuntRegs app is becoming one of the most powerful tools in the field. From license mistakes to a Thanksgiving turkey story involving a dog with questionable morals, this one’s packed with practical advice and classic game warden comedy.

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⁠North American Game Warden Museum⁠

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⁠Maine Operation Game Thief⁠

⁠New Hampshire Operation Game Thief⁠

⁠North East Conservation Law Enforcement Chiefs Association⁠

⁠International Wildlife Crimestoppers⁠

Here’s what we discuss:

· Spring turkey talk and the north–south difference in season timing

· Patrick’s 13 years as a Georgia game warden

· Working the Georgia coast: shrimping, crabbing, oysters, and commercial fisheries

· Moving inland and “traditional” game‑warden work

· HuntRegs’ goal of improving public understanding of what wardens actually do

· “There’s not enough game wardens” – why follow‑up matters

· What wardens look for on a turkey hunter check

· Licensing requirements for turkey

· Bag limit changes: two per season, one per day

· “Leave one to keep the population going”

· Printed harvest records vs app check‑ins

· You can game‑check without service and upload later

· Requirements: record before moving the bird, game‑check within 24 hours

· Turkeys as the most‑poached species and why tagging matters

· Patrick’s approach with inexperienced hunters and juveniles

· Why turkey hunters tend to be more seasoned

· Public‑land turkeys: “No inexperienced hunter is killing a Georgia public bird”

· Florida, early spring weather, and turkey chatter starting up

· “When the dogwoods bloom, the turkeys gobble”

· Common mistakes: assuming WMAs follow statewide turkey dates

· Miss the quota? “You’re definitely getting a ticket.”

· HuntRegs app: geolocation, pin drops, license requirements, special rules

· Archery‑only zones, no‑camping rules, and property‑specific notes

· Game wardens using the app themselves before checks

· Printed regs and rules: “They call it the digest… not very digestible!”

· Growth of HuntRegs and its state‑by‑state customization

· A turkey tossed out a car window, then snatched and hidden by a dog

· “Did you charge the dog – aiding and assisting?”

· No fall turkey season in Georgia; hens always protected

· HuntRegs‑generated cases: night hunting, baited duck ponds, hunting without permission

· Duck pond baited with molasses and corn, caught on Thanksgiving morning

· Why community tips matter

· Focus on catching blatant violations: night hunting, baiting, hunting under the influence

· Anonymous reporting, optional follow‑ups, and confidentiality

· Georgia’s monetary rewards for tips leading to convictions

· Improving the system based on warden feedback

· “Already a good day when you learn something new.”

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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167 Amanda McKune – Illinois

Posted on March 6, 2026March 6, 2026 by nhfishcop10

It’s Women’s History Month, and there’s no better time to highlight CPO Amanda McKune – Illinois officer, new mom, and the 2025 NWTF Officer of the Year. Amanda shares the behind‑the‑scenes reality of the job: the long hours, the high‑stakes turkey and deer cases, the instincts that guide her, and the determination that has already defined her first six years in the field. Humble and relentless, she’s exactly the kind of story this month is made to celebrate.

Our Sponsors:

⁠Thin Green Line Podcast⁠

⁠Don Noyes Chevrolet⁠

⁠North American Game Warden Museum⁠

⁠Hunt Regs⁠

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⁠SecureIt Gun Storage⁠

⁠XS Sights⁠

⁠“A Cowboy in the Woods” Book⁠

⁠Maine Operation Game Thief⁠

⁠New Hampshire Operation Game Thief⁠

⁠North East Conservation Law Enforcement Chiefs Association⁠

⁠International Wildlife Crimestoppers⁠

Here’s what we discuss:

· Working turkey and deer hunters in southern Illinois – being “in the right place at the right time.”

· Stepping onto the NWTF stage and realizing the scale: “I had no idea going into that… wow.”

· The habitual turkey poacher and the tip that set everything in motion.

· Working 3 AM mornings through April until she finally caught him.

· Charging him with 8 birds she could prove, knowing the real count was far higher.

· Spending another April up before dawn to catch him again during suspension.

· The rush when officers from another district caught him a third time.

· Why turkey cases are so tough: long hours, staying still, waiting.

· “Sometimes it doesn’t add up… but 90% of the time it leads to something.”

· The strain of April on her young family – “They put up with me the whole month of April.”

· A wild deer case: a shot at dark, a suspect in Long Johns, and three huge bags of illegal deer corn.

· Interviews stretching for hours as he claimed he was “just looking.”

· Finding his gun buried in a creekbed, wrapped in his unworn camo: “We were all amped up… we got him.”

· Growing up fishing, discovering her interviewing superpower — “People just like to talk to me.”

· The importance of catching a single word out of place.

· Illinois’ massive deer – with 26‑pointers becoming normal in some counties.

· Ongoing cases involving 30+ illegally killed deer.

· Starting her career in the same county she grew up in.

· Knowing the land, families, and history.

· Tips and informants as the backbone of most big cases.

· Balancing motherhood, a state‑trooper husband, and long hours: “I’m taking advantage now and trying to catch these guys while I can.”

· The rise of night road hunting and non‑residents chasing big Midwest deer.

· October–December feeling like another April.

· A new era of poaching — thermal optics and crossbows with thermals.

· Working across the Missouri border and the challenges of multi‑state cases.

· District teamwork: “It takes all of us to make these big cases.”

· The impact of heavy illegal take on local populations — especially in concentrated areas.

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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166 Badges on the Bayou

Posted on February 26, 2026February 26, 2026 by nhfishcop10

On this episode of Warden’s Watch, we head deep into Louisiana with Captain Will Roberts and Sergeant Terry Hicks — two wildlife agents who bring the state’s culture, cases, and Cajun humor to life. From crawfish wars and cooking secrets to big-game patrols, wild night‑hunting busts, and the state’s legendary boat poker runs, Will and Terry share stories that reveal a Louisiana most of us have only imagined. It’s part culture lesson, part law‑enforcement adventure, and entirely Louisiana.

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Here’s what we discuss:

Cajun cooking traditions, heavy seasoning, and why the roux matters.
“You season everything two or three times.”
Crawfish culture, regional boil methods, and the friendly “crawfish wars.”
How Louisiana farms, regulates, and harvests crawfish — and how dry weather affects production.
Wildlife across the state: deer, turkey, black bears, and tightly regulated alligator seasons.
Long deer seasons, electronic tagging, and how multiple hunting seasons overlap.
Busy waterways, boating safety, and enforcing alcohol laws on the water.
“A DWI on the water is the same as on the highway.”
The Tickfaw 200 poker run, big boats, long routes, and how safety has evolved.
Career paths, teamwork, and how Operation Game Thief works behind the scenes.
Memorable trespass, baiting, and night‑hunting cases, including turkey hunters caught sitting on cracked corn.
Decoy operations and the mix of funny, tense, and unpredictable encounters.
Working small communities where they often know the people they catch.
Strong landowner relationships and why most hunters follow the rules.
Cajun identity, accents, and local names like sac‑a‑lait and pull‑dues.
What keeps them in the job — the adventure, the outdoors, and the humor.
“I’m surprised they pay us for a lot of the stuff we do.”

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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165 Shawn Elmore – Georgia DNR

Posted on February 13, 2026February 13, 2026 by nhfishcop10

After more than 30 years with Georgia DNR, Sgt. Shawn Elmore joins Warden’s Watch for a long‑awaited conversation filled with humor, hard lessons, and unforgettable cases. From hunting alongside his dad as a child to becoming one of Georgia’s leading boating‑incident investigators, Shawn shares a mix of heartfelt family stories, outrageous poaching cases, and high‑stakes investigations that helped change state law. Join us for a candid, funny, and deeply human look at life behind the badge.

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