068 The Colebrook Murders Part IV – Featuring Counselor Paula Booth

Counselor Paula Booth has been working with law enforcement officers and other clients for over 35 years with the state of New Hampshire. Her unique knowledge of critical incidents and trauma response has made her a valuable asset to many agencies. She is also the director for the New Hampshire Employee Assistant Program. Paula has a masters degree in clinical social work from Boston University, is a member of the National Academy of Certified Social Workers, and is nationally certified as an employee assistance professional. Additionally, she has served as the president of the Grant State employee assistant program. Paula works on the governor and attorney general’s commission on domestic violence, and is an advisor to the state government’s decision makers. Her lectures at conferences, community events, and state sponsored events are well renowned. To Wayne, Paula Booth was his counselor after the critical incident that took place in Colebook in which he was shot.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Introduction to Paula Booth
  • Counseling is very different in today’s world
  • Wayne’s breaking point
  • Counseling is for everyone
  • Everyone has a critical incident in their life
  • Healthy people get help
  • Education on counseling to law enforcement
  • We ask for help all the time, why not this?
  • Affects officers, family members, peers
  • Academy program: stress management in law enforcement
  • Traumatic experience from those that were on vacation
  • Critical incident tools
  • Simple, briefs directives
  • Eat something simple
  • Don’t fill the silence
  • Look into programs
  • Supervisors and peers watch you
  • Don’t use a cookie cutter approach
  • Connection is important
  • I’ve got the best job in the world
  • Make it palatable
  • If I didn’t have counseling, I wouldn’t have finished my career
  • Horrible week for New Hampshire
  • Approach it from a problem solving perspective
  • Make the appointment, you can always cancel it
  • Give and take
  • Uniform represents so much
  • Partners and supporters take the journey too

065 The Colebrook Murders Part I – Ft. Richard Adams Carey

Richard Carey is the author of the book “In That Evil Day” in which he discusses the events of the violent 1997 shooting in Colebrook, New Hampshire in which Wayne Sanders was shot. Richard grew up in Connecticut and attended Harvard. He moved around the country while writing various books that are acclaimed by The New York Times, Alaska Magazine, and more. In this interview, Carry explains his background, research for the book, the community around Colebrook, and much more.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • The Colebrook Murders
  • Putting the puzzle pieces together
  • Not enough exposure on the event
  • Listings in a telephone book
  • Went about the book stupidly
  • Battle between burying the incident and opening up
  • Expected to “suck it up” after incidents
  • Challenge: freedom of information
  • Dissecting the documents; generosity of agencies
  • No sense of competition in law enforcement
  • Not a typical true crime book
  • Mindset of those in the community
  • Flirtations with militia groups
  • National problem with little reporting
  • Breakdown of the incident
  • The good out of the incident
  • Civilian heroes 
  • Outsider looking in to insider looking in
  • Book title

052 Carlos Gomez – Oklahoma Department of Wildlife

Carlos Gomez spent 41 years as a game warden in the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation – 34 years serving Tulsa County and 7 years serving in Oklahoma County. He is the only game warden in Oklahoma’s history to spend his entire career in urban areas. Despite this, his time was filled with hunting and fishing interactions, as well as education of the public. In his retirement, he actively enjoys the outdoors and regularly attends meetings with conservation clubs.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Wayne’s experience with Oklahoma
  • Carlos’s energy
  • Operation Jersey
  • Undercover turtles
  • Wildlife war with China
  • Importance of prosecution
  • Judge shopping
  • Educate and build relationships with violators
  • Game wardens are hunters too
  • Interactions with Tiger King
  • Stolen polar bear
  • Carlos’s deer case
  • Stay tuned for part two!

048 Scott Fischer – Arizona Game and Fish

Scott Fischer is an Officer with Arizona Game and Fish and also the director of the department’s Operation Game Thief program.  Scott and Wayne discuss the qualification for becoming an Arizona warden, Arizona’s outdoor opportunities for big game outdoors men and women,  and a few operations that Scott has been on trying to stop illegal drug trafficking.  They also discuss how important the community is to assisting with illegal poaching through Operation Game Thief. 

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  • Arizona Command Structure
  • Law Enforcement Program Manager
  • Wildlife Managers 92 State Wide
  • Voluntary Reporting at the End of the Season
  • Location, Permits, Time Frame Compliance
  • Higher Education Requirement in AZ
  • Qualifications for Arizona Game and Fish
  • Education Component
  • Background History, Abuse
  • Dream to Be a Game Warden
  • Pool of Law Enforcement Dwindling
  • Loosening the Reins for Applicants
  • Scientific Method Biology
  • 600 Applicants Down to 120 Today
  • Minimum Standard Physical Regs
  • Operation Game Thief
  • Coos vs Coues
  • Dispatcher to Officer
  • 2000 Sq. Mile District to Cover
  • Cactus and Agriculture
  • Playing Dumb Cop
  • Sticking to Lies
  • Cal Fish and Game and Wildlife
  • Wildlife Canine Handler
  • The Detail, Treat it Like a Homicide
  • Big Elk, Lottery Program
  • Mountain Lion, Deer Archery Over the Counter
  • Bear Season
  • Elk Over the Counter – Low Success
  • Shorts and a T-Shirt Hunting
  • Desert Mule Deer
  • Illegal Border Activity
  • High Human Traffic High Human Traffic
  • Cowboy Type, Let’s Go Get Him
  • I’m in Good Shape, But…
  • Drug Runners are In Better Shape
  • 12 Illegals and a Big Load of Dope
  • Moose Case on International Lines
  • State Dispatchers are Life Lines
  • Arizona is Diverse
  • We Need the Public Thru Operation Game Thief

046 Matt Holmes Part II – The OHRV Crash

Matt Holmes, a NH Fish and Game Conservation Officer and regular on North Woods Law, jumps in the pick up truck with Wayne to talk more about Matt’s career as a Game Warden.  They discuss in detail Matt’s OHRV crash that occurred in June 2020 while on radar patrol.  Special narration and commentary from Bob Mancini.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Evolution of OHRV Riding in NH
  • The North Woods Law Crew
  • The Bear that Killed the Chickens
  • A Errant Discharge of a High Power Rifle
  • 2 Vehicle Crash, Running Radar
  • Connecting with Bob Mancini
  • 2 Side By Sides at Excessive Speed
  • Blue Lights On
  • A Red and White Collision
  • Did I Break My Back? Can I Breath?
  • Familiar Faces in the ER
  • Pain Level
  • Physical Therapy and Back to Work
  • My Favorite Trainee
  • Just Wanted to Clarify that Your Not From Maine

045 Matt Holmes – Part I

Matt Holmes, a NH Fish and Game Conservation Officer and regular on North Woods Law, jumps in the pick up truck with Wayne this week to talk about Matt’s career as a Game Warden.  Wayne and Matt go way back and have lots of stories to tell on this episode.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Shooting and teaching hunter safety
  • Not loosing face with the court
  • Integrity
  • A Short Burst of Automatic Fire
  • Losing a Wheel on the Cruiser
  • A Repeater and the Cats Out of the Bag
  • I’m Not from Maine, Despite the NH Accent
  • Typing Skills, Old Fashion Man in Modern World
  • Driving with Code 3
  • Robert’s Brook Washout
  • We All Bring a Skill Set
  • Multiple Does in Parts and 22 Bullets
  • Irate Because a Deer Was Wasted
  • Hit Em, Hit Em Simultaneously
  • A White Suite and Moose Necropsy
  • Only One Party Didn’t Return the 2nd Weekend
  • Mass Residence Listing Their Firearms
  • The Perfect Villain
  • Own Up When You Mess Up
  • How You Act After the Fact Determines Your Fate
  • No Short Way to the Summit
  • Glen Is Grumpy about It
  • Ed Bacon, Perfect Storm of Misery
  • Mount Lafayette

043 Dennis Amsden – Vermont Fish and Wildlife Game Warden

Dennis Amsden was a Lieutenant and Game Warden with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Service.  Dennis served with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife for 20 years and was involved in many cases over the years, from the high profile media cases to the everyday poaching incident. He shares with us his journey over his career, shares details about several memorable investigations, and hints on where he’d like to go in retirement.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Operation Game Thief – Stealing Video Games
  • From a Family Not into Outdoor Sporting
  • A Subscription to Outdoor Life
  • Moving to Dixie When Retirement Comes
  • Trouble Over Enthusiasm
  • I Hope Glen Lucas is Listening
  • Nobody Becomes a Game Warden for Paperwork
  • Greater St Johnsbury Area
  • Seeing All the Warden’s Work as a Supervisor
  • First Memorable Case
  • Video Tape Date Stamps
  • A Warrant and Experienced Wardens
  • Other Criminal Activities Overlap Poaching
  • 5lbs of Marijuana
  • Leaving a Decoy Out Overnight
  • Another Case on Lake Champlain
  • Walleye and Ducks – Game Laws and Keeping Up
  • High Profile Case – Investigating a Shooting
  • An ATV and Voices
  • Less and Less Poaching Being Handing Down by Generation
  • You Get More Info By Making Friends, First Name Basis
  • A Rich Man from Experience
  • It’s Not all Tickets and Handcuffs
  • 3am Wake Ups, Spouses, Kids
  • Search and Rescue and Training