061 Chris Conroy, Scotland

Chris Conroy is the director of the Ness District Salmon Fishery Board and a water bailiff. He graduated from Liverpool John Moores University with a degree in Applied Biology, and has over 25 years of experience working as an aquatic resource manager. Through his duties, he has developed an in-depth knowledge of freshwater, marine and estuarine resource management and the associated stresses, utilisation, and conservation demand. In this episode, we dive in to the lore around Loch Ness, the differences in enforcement, the specs of being a water bailiff, and more

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Cover the Loch Ness waters in Scotland
  • Loch means lake
  • Fishery bailiff = fishery enforcement officer
  • Sightings of the Loch Ness monster
  • 20 miles wide, 700 feet deep 
  • Don’t work for the government; statutory powers
  • Lots of fisheries 
  • Differences in laws
  • Don’t carry firearms; gear differences
  • Good cases
  • Thermal imaging 
  • Enforcement and management
  • Topography
  • Fish counts
  • Intervention of impacts 
  • Issues with stocking fish
  • Collecting evidence
  • 162 offenses last year
  • Pulley system case
  • American vs Scottish bailiffs

060 For the Fallen – Justin Hurst, Texas EOW: March 17, 2007

Justin Hurst was a game warden who worked for the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. A graduate of Texas A&M, he had a passion for the outdoors and worked to protect it. Even before he was a warden, he worked as a waterfowl guide and educated people on hunting. After 5 years of service as a warden, he was involved in an incident where a man was suspected of hunting illegally. While backing up another game warden on a pursuit, the suspect’s vehicle was spiked. As he got out, the suspect fired at the approaching wardens and deputies. Hurst was struck multiple times while returning fire, and was med-flighted to a nearby hospital. A day later, on his 34th birthday, Justin succumbed to his injuries. Justin is an example of an exemplary game warden with a strong work ethic and a desire to educate his community. 

His sacrifice will not be forgotten. 

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Chaplin Scott Mcintosh leads in prayer
  • Start of Justin’s love of wildlife
  • Dad, we need to help these hawks 
  • Love of duck and geese
  • Read the bands on geese
  • Went to Texas A&M, never went to a football game
  • Applied for the academy 
  • First of his class
  • Back home with people he knew
  • Make personal contacts with farmers and ranchers
  • A knocking at the door, a flashlight
  • Justin did not survive
  • His eyes were used as an organ donation
  • 25 game wardens at the house to support us
  • Kept the media away
  • 10 units involved in the incident
  • Dashcam video recorded
  • The pursuit 
  • Gets cornered at the cemetery and starts firing
  • Hits Justin; med-flighted to the hospital
  • I asked God “why did you take my son?”
  • Effects of a LEO death on the family
  • Weeks after, wardens were around 24/7
  • 500 law enforcement at Justin’s funeral
  • Cremated and released into the bay
  • Ashes put in Justin’s projects 
  • Offered life without parole; refused
  • Jury convicted him guilty of 1st degree murder with execution
  • All appeals denied
  • We pick the day he’s executed
  • A long process; very educational 
  • Only could bring a driver’s license the penitentiary 
  • He never said anything
  • Motorcycle groups revved engines during final statement
  • Parent groups for parents who lost LEO sons and daughters
  • Support of organizations
  • I want to make sure our wardens are supported
  • Justin wanted to educate and teach

059 For The Fallen – Arnold Magoon

Arnold Magoon was a game warden with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department for 18 years. He worked his way up from a field warden to a supervisor, and was known to be fair but firm in how he enforced laws. As a warden, Arnold was well liked within the community he patrolled and was a role model for those around him. In 1978, a call about a late night shot came in while he was at home. He responded, and a suspected deer poacher assaulted him with his own flashlight, bludgeoning him to death. Arnold is the only warden that has died in the line of duty with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department. 

His sacrifice will not be forgotten. 

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • For the fallen/police week
  • Wayne’s formal Colonel as a guest
  • Dangers of being a law enforcement officer
  • Roll of honor – 51 names
  • Won’t give this up until I die
  • Most challenging group I work with
  • It has to be done right
  • It was a normal day and he never came back
  • Take the time to tell people what they mean to you
  • Moment of silence
  • Poem
  • Jeff Whipple 
  • Arnold Magoon is the only warden who has died in Vermont
  • Moving on from tragedy and remember
  • Warden to supervisor 
  • Ready to fry by the fourth of July
  • Heard a gunshot and went out
  • Goes to confront the poachers
  • Put an identification on the vehicle
  • Throwing out evidence 
  • Approaching the vehicle: 2 men and 1 women
  • Son’s friend and knows him personally
  • Disappointment and frustration
  • Lunged for the flashlight
  • Left to die
  • Not uncommon to not wear a gun belt
  • Could happen to anyone
  • Monument created

054 The Case of Kate Matrosova featuring Ty Gagne

Kate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. She came to America on a student visa and successfully graduated with a masters degree in Financial Engineering. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. The weather conditions reached -85F and 141 MPH winds. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later.

Ty Gagne is the CEO of Primex, a public entity risk pool based in New Hampshire, and is also a certified wilderness first responder. He wrote the book Where You’ll Find Me about Kate’s experiences and those who were a part of her recovery. In this podcast, he discusses his own personal involvement in the outdoors, his perspective on Kate’s case, and how he wrote the book.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • The book Where You Will Find Me
  • Ty and Wayne’s experience with hiking
  • The easy mistakes of hiking
  • The beginning of Kate’s story
  • The White Mountains
  • Challenges of winter hiking
  • The conditions of Kate’s hike
  • Her plan and the issues around it
  • Kate’s drive to succeed
  • The group that got her out
  • The issue with personal location devices
  • Ty’s interviews with on-scene wardens
  • The drive of law enforcement and how to keep them safe
  • Mental health of volunteers and law enforcement
  • The changes at altitude
  • Retracing Kate’s story for a book
  • The good out of a tragedy

053 Carlos Gomez – Oklahoma Department of Wildlife – Part II

Carlos Gomez, a retired Game Warden for the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife, sits down with Wayne in the continuation of his interview. Though now retired after a 41 year career, Carlos is still an active outdoorsman and a member of the National Wild Turkey Federation. In this episode, they discuss cases Carlos has been involved with and his interactions with other wardens.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • International Game Warden Magazine
  • Operation Cody
  • Interactions and cases with Todd A. Vandivert
  • The money-maker case
  • When to bluff
  • The praying poacher
  • Keeping the racks, donating the meat
  • 16 deer, 3 county warrants
  • Enjoy the cuffs
  • Poacher suicide

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052 Carlos Gomez – Oklahoma Department of Wildlife

Carlos Gomez spent 41 years as a game warden in the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation – 34 years serving Tulsa County and 7 years serving in Oklahoma County. He is the only game warden in Oklahoma’s history to spend his entire career in urban areas. Despite this, his time was filled with hunting and fishing interactions, as well as education of the public. In his retirement, he actively enjoys the outdoors and regularly attends meetings with conservation clubs.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Wayne’s experience with Oklahoma
  • Carlos’s energy
  • Operation Jersey
  • Undercover turtles
  • Wildlife war with China
  • Importance of prosecution
  • Judge shopping
  • Educate and build relationships with violators
  • Game wardens are hunters too
  • Interactions with Tiger King
  • Stolen polar bear
  • Carlos’s deer case
  • Stay tuned for part two!

051 Brian Albert – Maryland DNR

After 28 years, Capt. Brian Albert has retired, but that doesn’t mean he’s done working. Brian spent time in the Air Force and then became a Ranger with Maryland’s Eastern Shore. He also worked as a Public Information Officer and was in charge of a criminal investigations division during his career.  Despite retirement, Brian is heavily involved with Maryland’s International Wildlife Crimestoppers and other conservation organizations. 

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HERE’S WHAT WE DISCUSS:

  • John’s New Mic!
  • Waterways Criminal Investigation
  • Suicides – Discovered by Hunters, Covered by Game Wardens
  • Maryland DNR Captain
  • Executive Director Maryland Wildlife Crimestoppers
  • Chesapeake Bay
  • Stripers, Crabs, Turkey, Deer
  • 40% of the Time on the Water
  • Rockfish and Striper are the Same Thing
  • Cast Nets and 77 Rockfish, $500 Per Fish Fine
  • Eastern Shore MD State Park
  • Fort Frederick State Park
  • Marijuana In the Campgrounds
  • Alaskan State Troopers
  • Exhausting Hours to Make a Case
  • An Old Dodge Ram Charger
  • Farmers Don’t Want People Driving in Fields
  • A Red Dot Target
  • Suicide in a Kayak
  • Inner Harbor Baltimore Coverage Area
  • Freddie Gray Riots
  • More Positive than Negative, Media Sells the Negative
  • Participation in Local Events
  • Jerry Kirkwood
  • An Out of State Duck Case
  • Illegal Deer Kill on Out of State Pennsylvania Resident
  • Stopping the Spread of CWD

050 Sean Cronsberry – Ontario Warden

Wayne and John discuss a warden life across the border in Canada with special guest Sean Cronsberry. Sean is a dog handler and warden with the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry.  He’s handled several interesting cases with his K-9 companions Timber and Blaze.  Sean covers a large area and has a unique area that involves the commercial fishing industry out of the great lakes. 

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Here’s What’s Discussed in this Episode:

  • Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry
  • A Professional Mouthful
  • Warden’s Watch International – Crossing the Border into Canada
  • Cases with the United States – Michigan, Lacey Act, US Fish and Wildlife
  • Working in Quebec and Needing an Interpreter
  • Ice Fishing on Lake Simcoe
  • Deputy Conversation Officer Program
  • 1000 Hours of Volunteering
  • Fish House and Open Holes
  • Whitefish and Lake Trout
  • Great Lakes and the Commercial Fishery
  • Southwestern Region Ontario
  • A K-9 Handler
  • Timber, a Chocolate Lab
  • Finding the Right Dog
  • K-9 Blaze, a Yellow Lab
  • Timber Would Wrap Up Cases on His Own
  • Losing a Service Dog
  • Into the Lions Den
  • A Good Game Warden Story
  • A Trespass to Hunt Call
  • Finding Poached Turkeys, Only with a Dog
  • A Sudden Death Call, Blaze Opened the Case Wide Open
  • Finding a Bullet
  • Labs- English vs US
  • The Gun Powder Wag
  • Tighty Whities
  • Shooting Towards the Road
  • The Cases we Remember Most are the Cases we Didn’t Make
  • 99% Time the Dogs Will Find the Evidence
  • Protecting the Interest of Other Hunters
  • Sleeping in the Truck after 8 Hour Trip
  • 3 Rotten Fish in a Net
  • 165 Field Officers
  • Naming Dogs, the Timber Wolf
  • Spreading the Word for Wardens, a Way of Life

049 John Anderson – Nevada Department of Wildlife

John Anderson is a Game Warden with the Nevada Department of Wildlife.  John patrols hundreds of acres in some of Nevada’s best elk habitat and has seen his fair share of incredible cases over the years.   John shares with us 3 of his best poacher cases along with some stories about how he became a game warden under what might be considered an unusual turn of events.  

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Here’s What’s Discussed in this Episode:

  • Dedicated to Capt Brian Allard
  • Ducks Unlimited Podcast
  • Warden’s Watch Gear
  • The Case Unit 231 Nevada to Utah
  • A Poached Elk
  • Was It Depredation?
  • A SpotLight on Camera and an ATV
  • The Flat Brim Army
  • The Whole Crime on Game Cam
  • Take a Look at Zachary – Instagram and Facebook
  • Felony Conviction, No Jail Time
  • $20,000 Fine
  • Nevada Isn’t the Wild West
  • The Crime Checked All the Boxes
  • What Changed? Family and Kids
  • Matlock, My Dad’s Kid
  • Connection with the Outdoors, but Unguided
  • Flintlock Muzzleloaders from Scratch
  • Poached a Doe and an Elk in Yellowstone
  • A 9 Year Old, an Apple Orchard, a Tag, and a Doe
  • An Honest Poacher, No Lying
  • No Electricity, Middle of Nowhere
  • Dove into the Application Process, Nevada was Hiring
  • There’s Always Evidence, and Generally Witnesses
  • Sometimes Your Only Friends Are Other Game Wardens
  • Treasuring Civilian Relationships
  • Life Balance
  • 70 Active Prosecutions
  • 2013 Writing a Warrant
  • Deer and Elk Tags, Undocumented Immigrants Poaching
  • Non-Game
  • Las Vegas Metro and Mexican Cartels
  • Random Meat in Ziplock Bags
  • Samples Tested, 5 Different Deer
  • Timing is Everything
  • Starts with a Little Tip, then it Grows
  • CSI from Crime to the Court, Homicide School
  • A Fork on the Left G4 Identification Measure
  • Working with Maggots, Stages, Time of Death
  • 3rd Case No Secrets
  • Photographs Contain Metadata
  • Great Witnesses are Instrumental
  • COVID is Messing Up Jury Trials
  • Usually Don’t Get Jail Time
  • 20 Days in Jail is a Big Message
  • Massachusetts and New Jersey Last Ones IWC
  • Reciprocation License Loss (Nationwide and Canada)
  • Sheep Cases are Rare – Serious Dedicated Hunters Typically
  • Transformation from Child to Adult

048 Scott Fischer – Arizona Game and Fish

Scott Fischer is an Officer with Arizona Game and Fish and also the director of the department’s Operation Game Thief program.  Scott and Wayne discuss the qualification for becoming an Arizona warden, Arizona’s outdoor opportunities for big game outdoors men and women,  and a few operations that Scott has been on trying to stop illegal drug trafficking.  They also discuss how important the community is to assisting with illegal poaching through Operation Game Thief. 

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  • Arizona Command Structure
  • Law Enforcement Program Manager
  • Wildlife Managers 92 State Wide
  • Voluntary Reporting at the End of the Season
  • Location, Permits, Time Frame Compliance
  • Higher Education Requirement in AZ
  • Qualifications for Arizona Game and Fish
  • Education Component
  • Background History, Abuse
  • Dream to Be a Game Warden
  • Pool of Law Enforcement Dwindling
  • Loosening the Reins for Applicants
  • Scientific Method Biology
  • 600 Applicants Down to 120 Today
  • Minimum Standard Physical Regs
  • Operation Game Thief
  • Coos vs Coues
  • Dispatcher to Officer
  • 2000 Sq. Mile District to Cover
  • Cactus and Agriculture
  • Playing Dumb Cop
  • Sticking to Lies
  • Cal Fish and Game and Wildlife
  • Wildlife Canine Handler
  • The Detail, Treat it Like a Homicide
  • Big Elk, Lottery Program
  • Mountain Lion, Deer Archery Over the Counter
  • Bear Season
  • Elk Over the Counter – Low Success
  • Shorts and a T-Shirt Hunting
  • Desert Mule Deer
  • Illegal Border Activity
  • High Human Traffic High Human Traffic
  • Cowboy Type, Let’s Go Get Him
  • I’m in Good Shape, But…
  • Drug Runners are In Better Shape
  • 12 Illegals and a Big Load of Dope
  • Moose Case on International Lines
  • State Dispatchers are Life Lines
  • Arizona is Diverse
  • We Need the Public Thru Operation Game Thief