180 Will Seegers – Vermont

Vermont Game Warden Will Seegers joins Wayne to discuss life as a conservation officer in the Green Mountain State. From water survival training and cold-water emergencies to boating safety, ice rescue, and working Vermont’s lakes and waterways, Will shares stories from the field and lessons learned throughout his career.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Will’s path to becoming a Vermont Game Warden
  • Seven years on the job and finding his stride
  • Training and mentoring the next generation of wardens
  • Becoming involved in instructor and field training roles
  • NASBLA officer water survival training
  • Why game wardens work in high-risk water environments
  • How duty gear affects swimming and survival
  • Experiencing full-uniform water immersion training
  • Learning to function in realistic emergency scenarios
  • Creating flotation devices from duty pants
  • Surprising lessons about ballistic vests in the water
  • “The biggest surprise for me was just how quickly you fatigue wearing duty gear in the water.”
  • Which pieces of equipment become the biggest burden
  • Firearm retention and survival considerations
  • When equipment can be replaced and when it can’t
  • Psychological challenges of abandoning gear
  • Cold water immersion and ice rescue realities
  • Why panic is often the greatest danger after falling through the ice
  • The importance of spreading body weight and self-rescue techniques
  • The story behind a game warden earning the nickname “Otter”
  • Life jackets and why experienced wardens wear them more often as their careers progress
  • Inflatable PFDs versus inherently buoyant life jackets
  • Potential failure points with inflatable life jackets
  • Why checking CO₂ cartridges matters
  • Officer safety considerations around waterways
  • Real-world case studies involving law enforcement encounters in the water
  • How quickly a routine contact can become a life-threatening situation
  • “All you need is to be near water and it could become a relevant variable in what unfolds.”
  • Running Vermont’s first officer water survival courses
  • Teaching wardens how to protect themselves during falls from boats and docks
  • Extrication techniques and getting back aboard safely
  • Why the training is practical rather than “high-speed” tactical instruction
  • The value of experiencing problems before they happen for real
  • Lake Champlain and the challenges of large-water operations
  • Open-water survival techniques
  • Conserving energy and body heat while awaiting rescue
  • Vermont’s world-class fishing opportunities
  • State-record fish from Lake Champlain
  • The legend of Champ, Lake Champlain’s famous lake monster
  • Expanding water survival training throughout Vermont and neighboring agencies

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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059 For The Fallen – Arnold Magoon

Arnold Magoon was a game warden with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department for 18 years. He worked his way up from a field warden to a supervisor, and was known to be fair but firm in how he enforced laws. As a warden, Arnold was well liked within the community he patrolled and was a role model for those around him. In 1978, a call about a late night shot came in while he was at home. He responded, and a suspected deer poacher assaulted him with his own flashlight, bludgeoning him to death. Arnold is the only warden that has died in the line of duty with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department. 

His sacrifice will not be forgotten. 

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • For the fallen/police week
  • Wayne’s formal Colonel as a guest
  • Dangers of being a law enforcement officer
  • Roll of honor – 51 names
  • Won’t give this up until I die
  • Most challenging group I work with
  • It has to be done right
  • It was a normal day and he never came back
  • Take the time to tell people what they mean to you
  • Moment of silence
  • Poem
  • Jeff Whipple 
  • Arnold Magoon is the only warden who has died in Vermont
  • Moving on from tragedy and remember
  • Warden to supervisor 
  • Ready to fry by the fourth of July
  • Heard a gunshot and went out
  • Goes to confront the poachers
  • Put an identification on the vehicle
  • Throwing out evidence 
  • Approaching the vehicle: 2 men and 1 women
  • Son’s friend and knows him personally
  • Disappointment and frustration
  • Lunged for the flashlight
  • Left to die
  • Not uncommon to not wear a gun belt
  • Could happen to anyone
  • Monument created

043 Dennis Amsden – Vermont Fish and Wildlife Game Warden

Dennis Amsden was a Lieutenant and Game Warden with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Service.  Dennis served with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife for 20 years and was involved in many cases over the years, from the high profile media cases to the everyday poaching incident. He shares with us his journey over his career, shares details about several memorable investigations, and hints on where he’d like to go in retirement.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Operation Game Thief – Stealing Video Games
  • From a Family Not into Outdoor Sporting
  • A Subscription to Outdoor Life
  • Moving to Dixie When Retirement Comes
  • Trouble Over Enthusiasm
  • I Hope Glen Lucas is Listening
  • Nobody Becomes a Game Warden for Paperwork
  • Greater St Johnsbury Area
  • Seeing All the Warden’s Work as a Supervisor
  • First Memorable Case
  • Video Tape Date Stamps
  • A Warrant and Experienced Wardens
  • Other Criminal Activities Overlap Poaching
  • 5lbs of Marijuana
  • Leaving a Decoy Out Overnight
  • Another Case on Lake Champlain
  • Walleye and Ducks – Game Laws and Keeping Up
  • High Profile Case – Investigating a Shooting
  • An ATV and Voices
  • Less and Less Poaching Being Handing Down by Generation
  • You Get More Info By Making Friends, First Name Basis
  • A Rich Man from Experience
  • It’s Not all Tickets and Handcuffs
  • 3am Wake Ups, Spouses, Kids
  • Search and Rescue and Training