058 The Case of Kate Matrosova Part V – The Conclusion

Kate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. She came to America on a student visa and successfully graduated with a masters degree in Financial Engineering. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. The weather conditions reached -85F and 141 MPH winds. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later. 

Ty Gagne is the CEO of Primex, a public entity risk pool based in New Hampshire, and is also a certified wilderness first responder. He wrote the book Where You’ll Find Me about Kate’s experiences and those who were a part of her recovery. In this podcast, he interviewed Wayne and asked him about his experiences as a supervisor over the search and rescue mission for Kate.

Brett Fitzgerald is a member of the search and rescue team that located and recovered Kate Matrosova. He is an experienced climber and outdoorsman who takes clients up the White Mountains. 

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Ty Gagne’s new book
  • High quality volunteers in NH
  • Embrace being a hero
  • Continuation of Wayne’s interview
  • Hasty team was important; other teams covered beacons
  • Covered lots of ground
  • Brett Fitzgerald interview
  • Out skiing during the day before the rescue
  • Telling clients “there is a 0% chance of reaching the summit today”
  • Had the kits ready to go
  • We weren’t sure if we could find her; she could be anywhere
  • Wind picked us off the ground
  • Kate was frozen solid
  • Can’t think of her as a human; need to get the load down
  • Felt like you were drowning 
  • Continuation of Wayne’s interview
  • Hard to communicate above treeline
  • Work to do after recovery
  • Inform next of kin
  • Accomplishments of Kate: calls from reporters from New York
  • Many rescues can be prevented
  • Preparation: more research, investigation, and paying attention to the weather
  • There’s a reason trees don’t grow up there
  • I got it in my calendar, I’m going to hike
  • Flexibility and knowledge is key
  • The finding of Kate’s mountaineering axe
  • Dedication to all search and rescue volunteers

057 The Case of Kate Matrosova Part IV Featuring Guest Interviewer Ty Gagne

Kate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. She came to America on a student visa and successfully graduated with a masters degree in Financial Engineering. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light hear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. The weather conditions reached -85F and 141 MPH winds. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later.

Ty Gagne is the CEO of Primex, a public entity risk pool based in New Hampshire, and is also a certified wilderness first responder. He wrote the book Where You’ll Find Me about Kate’s experiences and those who were a part of her recovery. In this podcast, he interviewed Wayne and asked him about his experiences as a supervisor over the search and rescue mission for Kate.

Lieutenant Mark Ober is the Lieutenant for District 1 with the New Hampshire Fish and Game. He frequently responds to hikers in distress and develops search and rescue missions to find them. He is also a member of the New Hampshire Fish and Game Dive Team. In this episode, he discusses the mission to find Kate, the difficulties surrounding it, and his role as a supervisor.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Guest interviewer: Ty Gagne
  • The best learning is from the ground up
  • The game warden is in charge of the search and rescue
  • Pass on shortcuts
  • Own up to your decisions
  • Wind is a huge factor
  • Dragging my feet based on my instincts
  • Don’t call me at night – I don’t sleep
  • Continuation of interview with Mark Ober
  • Constantly on the phone
  • Ordered a command post
  • 5am to 8am is peak prepare time
  • Many acronyms in search and rescues
  • Would have never reached Kate safely
  • Intent is key
  • Everything was in her pack, not blown away
  • Sunny day, whiteout on the mountain peaks
  • There’s more people like Kate
  • I made mistakes that other people made
  • Continuation of Wayne’s interview
  • No intention of going home
  • Command posts were rocking from the wind
  • Great relationships with local departments
  • It’s easy to look at a map and make assignments
  • Even highly skilled people can get in trouble

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day

056 The Case of Kate Matrosova Part III Featuring Mark Ober, Bob Mancini, and Matt Holmes

At 32 years old, Kate Matrosova hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later. 

Lieutenant Mark Ober is the Lieutenant for District 1 with the New Hampshire Fish and Game. He frequently responds to hikers in distress and develops search and rescue missions to find them. He is also a member of the New Hampshire Fish and Game Dive Team. In this episode, he discusses the mission to find Kate, the difficulties surrounding it, and his role as a supervisor.

Bob Mancini is an award-winning Conservation Officer in New Hampshire. He has been a member of the advanced search & rescue team, dive team, honor guard team and K-9 team. He was also a regular on Northwoods Law. He speaks of his role in the rescue for Kate.

Matt Holmes is a New Hampshire Fish and Game Conservation Officer. He was also a regular on Northwoods Law, and is part of rescue operations. In this episode, he discusses the attempted resume of Kate Matrosova with the rest of the rescue team.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • The return of John Nores
  • Q and A on April 26th via Patreon!
  • Start of Lt. Mark Ober interview
  • Matt and Bob: goal to get to coordinates
  • Half mile off trail to get to coordinates, meet with MRS team
  • Too cold to function 
  • Matt and Bob stay for backup, MRS team moves in 
  • When she wasn’t found at coordinates, everyone moves back down
  • Start of Bob Mancini interview
  • Decided to patrol on snowmobile 
  • Raced back to get essential gear
  • Disbelief of how someone could be out
  • My “Oh Shit!” bag
  • Forgot to change my socks
  • We were prepared to do what was required
  • Utilized snowmobiles and then hiked
  • Fight the inner demons to try and save a life
  • Propane in stove froze 
  • Hot water would have been like hitting the lottery
  • Should have slowed down and been a better teammate
  • Matt’s headlamp
  • Wayne’s rule: don’t call me the night before
  • Stay on scene on the trail, MRS goes to beacon
  • Loud and steady wind
  • Even if we knew where she was, it might have been a critical incident
  • Kate was an accomplished hiker
  • Gear has became better
  • Start of Matt Holmes interview
  • Predicted to be bad weather for a while
  • On snowmobile patrolling all day
  • Coldest and most dangerous rescue
  • Eyes are on the mountains 
  • Wind blowing over the summits
  • Glad to be in my cruiser 
  • At first I was angry: salt in an open wound
  • Carrying gear for overnight stays
  • Sun goes down, temperature goes down
  • Glen’s issues: it wasn’t his night 
  • Matt was the leader of the operation
  • We had to function as a team to do things we usually did alone
  • One team to bushwack to point, another on the trail
  • Barely got stoves lit, water couldn’t boil
  • All layers were on
  • If something went wrong, will have to build a shelter
  • Nobody wanted to stop
  • MRS team stayed, the rest moved out
  • I feel good about what we did
  • Plenty of reasons to not send anyone that night
  • Feelings softened toward Kate over time
  • Perfect storm of cold and wind

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day

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055 The Case of Kate Matrosova Part II featuring Lt. Mark Ober and CO Glen Lucas

Kate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. She came to America on a student visa and successfully graduated with a masters degree in Financial Engineering. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. The weather conditions reached -85F and 141 MPH winds. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later. 

Lieutenant Mark Ober is the Lieutenant for District 1 with the New Hampshire Fish and Game. He frequently responds to hikers in distress and develops search and rescue missions to find them. He is also a member of the New Hampshire Fish and Game Dive Team. In this episode, he discusses the mission to find Kate, the difficulties surrounding it, and his role as a supervisor.

Conservation Officer Glen Lucas of the New Hampshire Fish and Game is part of the snowmobile patrol and is an experienced outdoorsman. He was also a part of multiple storylines with the show Northwoods law. He shares his experiences on the day of Kate’s disappearance, including the struggles of preparing, the decision making of the day, and the lasting impacts it had on his life. 

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • New addition the podcasting team: Morgan Day
  • Patreon event: live Q and A on April 26th at 8pm EST
  • The importance of speaking about painful memories
  • More of a recovery mission than a rescue
  • Cannot rely on personal locator devices
  • Bad weather day; snowmobile crash earlier
  • We have to at least try
  • Temperature at start of hike: -90 with wind chill
  • Three separate beacons miles apart
  • Glen comes down
  • Ty Gagne helped me answer questions I had myself
  • Everyone was hustling to get there
  • Game Warden wife mode
  • Not a normal rescue mission
  • My mistake: dressing normal
  • Legs start locking up, toes are freezing
  • Glen stays behind, the others continue up
  • Leans up against the tree to wait for other volunteers
  • This is how I find people
  • I felt like I had peg legs; I didn’t want to die here
  • Mother nature beat me that time
  • Game wardens promote drive, we don’t want to show weakness
  • I didn’t read the book, I gave it away
  • I wanted to distance myself from the story, but I read it
  • After the reports done, I’m done
  • The book signing was therapeutic
  • The supervisors decision at the base, the teams on the mountain
  • Kate is the first one I had a connection with

054 The Case of Kate Matrosova featuring Ty Gagne

Kate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. She came to America on a student visa and successfully graduated with a masters degree in Financial Engineering. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. The weather conditions reached -85F and 141 MPH winds. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later.

Ty Gagne is the CEO of Primex, a public entity risk pool based in New Hampshire, and is also a certified wilderness first responder. He wrote the book Where You’ll Find Me about Kate’s experiences and those who were a part of her recovery. In this podcast, he discusses his own personal involvement in the outdoors, his perspective on Kate’s case, and how he wrote the book.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • The book Where You Will Find Me
  • Ty and Wayne’s experience with hiking
  • The easy mistakes of hiking
  • The beginning of Kate’s story
  • The White Mountains
  • Challenges of winter hiking
  • The conditions of Kate’s hike
  • Her plan and the issues around it
  • Kate’s drive to succeed
  • The group that got her out
  • The issue with personal location devices
  • Ty’s interviews with on-scene wardens
  • The drive of law enforcement and how to keep them safe
  • Mental health of volunteers and law enforcement
  • The changes at altitude
  • Retracing Kate’s story for a book
  • The good out of a tragedy

053 Carlos Gomez – Oklahoma Department of Wildlife – Part II

Carlos Gomez, a retired Game Warden for the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife, sits down with Wayne in the continuation of his interview. Though now retired after a 41 year career, Carlos is still an active outdoorsman and a member of the National Wild Turkey Federation. In this episode, they discuss cases Carlos has been involved with and his interactions with other wardens.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • International Game Warden Magazine
  • Operation Cody
  • Interactions and cases with Todd A. Vandivert
  • The money-maker case
  • When to bluff
  • The praying poacher
  • Keeping the racks, donating the meat
  • 16 deer, 3 county warrants
  • Enjoy the cuffs
  • Poacher suicide

Credits
Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores
Producer/Editor: Jay Scott Ammann
Social Media/Marketing: Morgan Day

052 Carlos Gomez – Oklahoma Department of Wildlife

Carlos Gomez spent 41 years as a game warden in the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation – 34 years serving Tulsa County and 7 years serving in Oklahoma County. He is the only game warden in Oklahoma’s history to spend his entire career in urban areas. Despite this, his time was filled with hunting and fishing interactions, as well as education of the public. In his retirement, he actively enjoys the outdoors and regularly attends meetings with conservation clubs.

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Here’s What We Discuss:

  • Wayne’s experience with Oklahoma
  • Carlos’s energy
  • Operation Jersey
  • Undercover turtles
  • Wildlife war with China
  • Importance of prosecution
  • Judge shopping
  • Educate and build relationships with violators
  • Game wardens are hunters too
  • Interactions with Tiger King
  • Stolen polar bear
  • Carlos’s deer case
  • Stay tuned for part two!

051 Brian Albert – Maryland DNR

After 28 years, Capt. Brian Albert has retired, but that doesn’t mean he’s done working. Brian spent time in the Air Force and then became a Ranger with Maryland’s Eastern Shore. He also worked as a Public Information Officer and was in charge of a criminal investigations division during his career.  Despite retirement, Brian is heavily involved with Maryland’s International Wildlife Crimestoppers and other conservation organizations. 

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HERE’S WHAT WE DISCUSS:

  • John’s New Mic!
  • Waterways Criminal Investigation
  • Suicides – Discovered by Hunters, Covered by Game Wardens
  • Maryland DNR Captain
  • Executive Director Maryland Wildlife Crimestoppers
  • Chesapeake Bay
  • Stripers, Crabs, Turkey, Deer
  • 40% of the Time on the Water
  • Rockfish and Striper are the Same Thing
  • Cast Nets and 77 Rockfish, $500 Per Fish Fine
  • Eastern Shore MD State Park
  • Fort Frederick State Park
  • Marijuana In the Campgrounds
  • Alaskan State Troopers
  • Exhausting Hours to Make a Case
  • An Old Dodge Ram Charger
  • Farmers Don’t Want People Driving in Fields
  • A Red Dot Target
  • Suicide in a Kayak
  • Inner Harbor Baltimore Coverage Area
  • Freddie Gray Riots
  • More Positive than Negative, Media Sells the Negative
  • Participation in Local Events
  • Jerry Kirkwood
  • An Out of State Duck Case
  • Illegal Deer Kill on Out of State Pennsylvania Resident
  • Stopping the Spread of CWD

050 Sean Cronsberry – Ontario Warden

Wayne and John discuss a warden life across the border in Canada with special guest Sean Cronsberry. Sean is a dog handler and warden with the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry.  He’s handled several interesting cases with his K-9 companions Timber and Blaze.  Sean covers a large area and has a unique area that involves the commercial fishing industry out of the great lakes. 

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Here’s What’s Discussed in this Episode:

  • Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry
  • A Professional Mouthful
  • Warden’s Watch International – Crossing the Border into Canada
  • Cases with the United States – Michigan, Lacey Act, US Fish and Wildlife
  • Working in Quebec and Needing an Interpreter
  • Ice Fishing on Lake Simcoe
  • Deputy Conversation Officer Program
  • 1000 Hours of Volunteering
  • Fish House and Open Holes
  • Whitefish and Lake Trout
  • Great Lakes and the Commercial Fishery
  • Southwestern Region Ontario
  • A K-9 Handler
  • Timber, a Chocolate Lab
  • Finding the Right Dog
  • K-9 Blaze, a Yellow Lab
  • Timber Would Wrap Up Cases on His Own
  • Losing a Service Dog
  • Into the Lions Den
  • A Good Game Warden Story
  • A Trespass to Hunt Call
  • Finding Poached Turkeys, Only with a Dog
  • A Sudden Death Call, Blaze Opened the Case Wide Open
  • Finding a Bullet
  • Labs- English vs US
  • The Gun Powder Wag
  • Tighty Whities
  • Shooting Towards the Road
  • The Cases we Remember Most are the Cases we Didn’t Make
  • 99% Time the Dogs Will Find the Evidence
  • Protecting the Interest of Other Hunters
  • Sleeping in the Truck after 8 Hour Trip
  • 3 Rotten Fish in a Net
  • 165 Field Officers
  • Naming Dogs, the Timber Wolf
  • Spreading the Word for Wardens, a Way of Life

049 John Anderson – Nevada Department of Wildlife

John Anderson is a Game Warden with the Nevada Department of Wildlife.  John patrols hundreds of acres in some of Nevada’s best elk habitat and has seen his fair share of incredible cases over the years.   John shares with us 3 of his best poacher cases along with some stories about how he became a game warden under what might be considered an unusual turn of events.  

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Here’s What’s Discussed in this Episode:

  • Dedicated to Capt Brian Allard
  • Ducks Unlimited Podcast
  • Warden’s Watch Gear
  • The Case Unit 231 Nevada to Utah
  • A Poached Elk
  • Was It Depredation?
  • A SpotLight on Camera and an ATV
  • The Flat Brim Army
  • The Whole Crime on Game Cam
  • Take a Look at Zachary – Instagram and Facebook
  • Felony Conviction, No Jail Time
  • $20,000 Fine
  • Nevada Isn’t the Wild West
  • The Crime Checked All the Boxes
  • What Changed? Family and Kids
  • Matlock, My Dad’s Kid
  • Connection with the Outdoors, but Unguided
  • Flintlock Muzzleloaders from Scratch
  • Poached a Doe and an Elk in Yellowstone
  • A 9 Year Old, an Apple Orchard, a Tag, and a Doe
  • An Honest Poacher, No Lying
  • No Electricity, Middle of Nowhere
  • Dove into the Application Process, Nevada was Hiring
  • There’s Always Evidence, and Generally Witnesses
  • Sometimes Your Only Friends Are Other Game Wardens
  • Treasuring Civilian Relationships
  • Life Balance
  • 70 Active Prosecutions
  • 2013 Writing a Warrant
  • Deer and Elk Tags, Undocumented Immigrants Poaching
  • Non-Game
  • Las Vegas Metro and Mexican Cartels
  • Random Meat in Ziplock Bags
  • Samples Tested, 5 Different Deer
  • Timing is Everything
  • Starts with a Little Tip, then it Grows
  • CSI from Crime to the Court, Homicide School
  • A Fork on the Left G4 Identification Measure
  • Working with Maggots, Stages, Time of Death
  • 3rd Case No Secrets
  • Photographs Contain Metadata
  • Great Witnesses are Instrumental
  • COVID is Messing Up Jury Trials
  • Usually Don’t Get Jail Time
  • 20 Days in Jail is a Big Message
  • Massachusetts and New Jersey Last Ones IWC
  • Reciprocation License Loss (Nationwide and Canada)
  • Sheep Cases are Rare – Serious Dedicated Hunters Typically
  • Transformation from Child to Adult