160 Warden-Hunter Interactions

In this episode of Warden’s Watch, Wayne sits down with Ben Martin, founder of the Hunt Regs app, and Hayden Cook, a Tennessee Wildlife Officer, for a deep dive into warden-hunter interactions, safety in the field, and the story behind one of Tennessee’s most infamous poaching cases – the Maserati Buck. From practical advice for hunters to insights on wildlife law enforcement, this conversation is packed with real-world lessons and strategies to stay compliant in the field.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Ben’s journey as a first-generation hunter and why he created Hunt Regs
  • “How do I make a game warden comfortable?” – the question every hunter should ask
  • Hayden Cook on professionalism: “We serve the hunters and fishermen of Tennessee.”
  • Hunter safety tips during license checks and why nervousness can lead to mistakes
  • Hunt Regs app: anonymous poaching reports and real-time regulations
  • The Maserati Buck case: a 229-inch deer poached under a streetlight near a luxury car dealership
  • “Antlers make people do crazy things.” – Hayden on poaching motives
  • Honest mistakes vs. intentional violations: why self-reporting matters
  • Digital licensing pitfalls and why preparation is key
  • Building trust and positive relationships between hunters and wardens

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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159 Justice for Dave: A Poacher’s Reckoning

In this powerful episode of Warden’s Watch, Pennsylvania Game Wardens Phil Bietsch & TJ Knash share the story of a career-defining poaching case tied to the tragic death of fellow officer David Grove on Veteran’s Day 2010. From building trust to securing confessions, this case is a masterclass in investigative work and emotional resilience. Listen now to hear how justice was served, and a legacy honored.

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Here’s what we discuss:

  • Phil and TJ were classmates at the Ross Leffler School of Conservation
  • Working as neighboring officers for four years, they’ve developed a strong investigative partnership
  • Emphasis on teamwork, rhythm in interviews, and rapport-building
  • Ryan Laumann is a known habitual game law offender
  • The case ties back to the tragic death of Game Warden Dave Grove in 2010, who was murdered by Chris Johnson during a poaching incident
  • Laumann was a passenger in the vehicle
  • Laumann “just went home.”
  • Johnson is now on death row
  • Equipment and training were improved
  • Laumann received a five-year license revocation
  • A tip from a former violator turned informant via Operation Game Thief
  • “I got away with it once, I can do it again.”
  • TJ took the lead
  • Keeping emotions in check
  • “Take your time.”
  • Officers conducted surveillance near Laumann’s residence
  • Multiple deer carcasses, gut piles, and antlers
  • Officers used rapport and strategic interviewing to gain Laumann’s trust
  • Jeff Baile’s interview and interrogation techniques were critical
  • Allowing the suspect to tell their version of the story
  • Laumann eventually confesses to killing multiple deer
  • From a good case to a great case
  • “Rapport is the foundation of everything.”
  • Laumann was charged with:
    • 3 counts of illegal deer3 tagging violations
    • 3 counts of scattering high-risk parts
    • 1 over-the-bag-limit charge
  • Final penalties: 5-year hunting license revocation and $2,800 in fines

Credits

Hosts: Wayne Saunders and John Nores

Producer: Jay Ammann

Warden’s Watch logo & Design: Ashley Hannett

Research / Content Coordinator: Stacey DesRoches

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